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    re: Insurers reportedly receiving faulty data from ObamaCare exchanges [W:143]

    Quote Originally Posted by francois60 View Post
    It's not totalitarianism, but it would be if it was actually effective. The individual mandate is unenforceable and will not actually result in everyone buying insurance, or even most people.

    At some point, there is going to be a choice to make: abandon the project or impose draconian penalties for failure to acquire insurance.
    Like the rest of that law, Obamacare's penalties are bizarre and ill-thought out...but draconian, I suppose, is a relative term and some would probably consider the penalties a few years down the road to be draconian. Of course, Democrats will probably just say that we can always "tweak" the penalties to make them better or worse if we have to.

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    re: Insurers reportedly receiving faulty data from ObamaCare exchanges [W:143]

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    You know . . . when you contrive a new system you're supposed to TEST IT first. Test - fix - test - fix - and so on, so forth, until it's within a margin of accuracy.

    I gather that they didn't consider this at all.
    This is what happens when a system is built by people who have never had a real job and stand on political theory.

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    re: Insurers reportedly receiving faulty data from ObamaCare exchanges [W:143]

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    Re: Insurers reportedly receiving faulty data from ObamaCare exchanges [W:143]

    Quote Originally Posted by francois60 View Post
    It's not totalitarianism, but it would be if it was actually effective. The individual mandate is unenforceable and will not actually result in everyone buying insurance, or even most people.

    At some point, there is going to be a choice to make: abandon the project or impose draconian penalties for failure to acquire insurance.
    Sensible people will sign up for insurance. The rest will continue to rely on the largess of government when lying there in the pool of blood, but, at least, they will have paid a tax that partially offsets the costs incurred by the more responsible among us.
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    Re: Insurers reportedly receiving faulty data from ObamaCare exchanges [W:143]

    It's not a matter of responsibility. Should people be required to insure against every possible fate that could befall them? Should they also prioritize these products over their everyday needs?

    It's stupid to insure yourself against medical costs when you can't feed yourself or keep a roof over your head. It's even stupider for the government to tell you what to prioritize.

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    Re: Insurers reportedly receiving faulty data from ObamaCare exchanges [W:143]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Sensible people will sign up for insurance. The rest will continue to rely on the largess of government when lying there in the pool of blood, but, at least, they will have paid a tax that partially offsets the costs incurred by the more responsible among us.
    I've seen reports that the administration needs up to 7 million healthy young adults to be registered, and signed up by January 2014, or this thing collapses....Then what? Delay? Start over? What? And how much money will be wasted in the mean time? So far we have a web site that reported costs total out at over $600 million, and doesn't work, plus they had 3 damned years to get it right!!!! I mean they can't even get the damned web site running, how the hell are they going to actually oversee the system? It's Bull!

    And the arrogance of all of this...Pelosi, and others out there saying that it's a success? Touting "unique visits" what the hell is that? They are even going as far as to try and pull a slight of hand and say that it's rolling out just fine because 500K people have filled out the application? Look, people know when they are being conned, I hope anyway...The way this website is set up, you must fill out the application just to look at the plans....So, how many have filled out the application, means NOTHING!

    Then speaking of arrogance, with all these problems, congress wants to talk with Sebilus, and what is her response? A big fat "No, I don't have time for you".... "I have a Gala in Boston to attend"....What the hell?
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    Re: Insurers reportedly receiving faulty data from ObamaCare exchanges [W:143]

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    That's pretty much where I am, Mycroft. Someone who has a dog in the fight (that would be a licensed insurance salesperson) is well trained and very much into customer service. His motivation is quite different from that of a customer service rep sitting in a bullpen taking one call after another ad infinitum.
    Yeah, Maggie, but they're out for profit, which means their goal is to screw you!

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    Re: Insurers reportedly receiving faulty data from ObamaCare exchanges [W:143]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    and we have no right to tell anyone that they must purchase insurance that they don't want, as long as we're willing to just let them do without.
    I don't have a right to tell you how to live your life, as long as I'm willing to let you live with the consequences of your decisions. Are politicians supposed to work for us, or are they supposed to be our parents?

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    Re: Insurers reportedly receiving faulty data from ObamaCare exchanges [W:143]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    That is the problem for sure, but nobody is willing to just let people die as a result of their irresponsibility. We wind up paying one way or another, either through taxes or higher rates. Therefore, we should have the right to insist that people provide their own insurance.
    So progressives create a problem, and then bring us the solution to the problem they've created. That's how it works.

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    Re: Insurers reportedly receiving faulty data from ObamaCare exchanges [W:143]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    FFS, you lost track of your argument, you started this loop I am trying to close by saying:

    Again, the provider of the service DOES not have to be a slave, the state via the citizens PAYS for the service, whether the service is provided by a poll worker or a medical worker.

    There is no need for "slaves". Rights are not dependent upon "slaves". It is a specious argument.
    If I have a right to the product of your labor, then you are my slave. You equate paying for a service and being forced to provide service to someone. That is a specious argument.

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