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    Re: House approves bill to end shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    I think the Republicans are smarter than that..... they don't want to have this happen again, even closer to the election. They played out the hand and lost. The Obama care debate is now substantially behind us.
    yeah.. the GOP lost this round of political theater, and i don't think they will revisit it again.

    I think they should start playing hardball though...Democrats can't refuse to negotiate or compromise forever.....and the good news is, Democrats will now be forced to address the budget that they have refused to address for 5 years. ( i have zero confidence in the budget being reconciled)

    anyways, next political theater topic is... immigration.... there's sure to be more drama there.
    my bet is on Democrats trying to ram through some sort of amnesty.. the House saying "hell no" and Obama crying about how evil Republicans are for not letting him have his way.
    business as usual in idiotland.

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    Re: House approves bill to end shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Lukas105 View Post
    Well, hopefully the Libertarian party will grow in Congress with these next elections. The shutdown was just one more example of another "Great Awakening" with the American people.



    Well I doubt the libertarian party will actually gain any seats in Congress, it is possible there could be an increase in more libertarian minded members of congress.
    There should be Instant Runoff Voting

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    Re: House approves bill to end shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Thank god. The health care debate is finally done forever.
    Hardly.

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    Re: House approves bill to end shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I think this has settled the Obamacare debate as much as Roe Vs. Wade settled abortion. 26 states have refused Federal funding for the program, which in a perverse sort of way may not be that bad: perhaps if the debate continues to thrive we can actually get universal health care out of the deal.

    Hey, I don't have to be a miserable cynic all the time.
    Except that the abortion debate is still not over nor is the debate over for any other liberal accomplishment for that matter.

    Also, pay for your own entitlement programs.

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    Re: House approves bill to end shutdown

    So glad that Paul Ryan is now leading the Repubs on a Conference committee, right after he voted no tonite, knowing his vote would be 'scored'..
    I only knew of two other definitions for scoring, to etch glass and the teen-age kind..
    Repubs actually insisted on including things ALREADY in ACA to be in the bill..
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    Except that the abortion debate is still not over nor is the debate over any other liberal accomplishment for that matter.
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    Re: House approves bill to end shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Guys we have a government again!! We wont default! Took em long enough.
    Here is the problem. The dems did not actually win. They just kicked the can and made a smaller concession in the final hours than the republicans wanted. They need to recognize that now that more negotiations have to happen they need to start at the far left again so the country sees the concessions they made. Do not start where this bill is bnecause the republicans will start far right again. They do not remember to reset their goals back to default left so that they have something to give up before hitting the right side of middle right off the bat like they always do.

    there was no budget passed. The debt ceiling will still be reached again. We will be here again in a few months. We have again rewarded the right wing loonies with concessions. They played the losers in the end because next time the US will remember they conceded and the dems will start from behind again even though they were never ahead.

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    Re: House approves bill to end shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    it does not take a scholar......the u.s. took in 2.7 trillion in revenue for 2013, on average thats over 200 billion a month, our debt payment is about 25 billion a month, ...how can we default since according to law, interest on the debt must be paid.
    I didn't ask for your reasoning based on a naive understanding of economics. I asked you to support your position with credible evidence of experts. As I suspected, you can not.

    Again, show us how not raising the debt ceiling would not be catastrophic for the economy.... produce a cite from a credible source (hint, you are not a credible source) or stand down.

    When your opinion is challenged you choose laziness and ignorance, like most that hold this view. You don't know and don't want to know. That is scary.

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    Re: House approves bill to end shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    yeah.. the GOP lost this round of political theater, and i don't think they will revisit it again.

    I think they should start playing hardball though...Democrats can't refuse to negotiate or compromise forever.....and the good news is, Democrats will now be forced to address the budget that they have refused to address for 5 years. ( i have zero confidence in the budget being reconciled)

    anyways, next political theater topic is... immigration.... there's sure to be more drama there.
    my bet is on Democrats trying to ram through some sort of amnesty.. the House saying "hell no" and Obama crying about how evil Republicans are for not letting him have his way.
    business as usual in idiotland.
    I think allowing sequester level spending to continue in the CR was a pretty substantive compromise.....

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    Re: House approves bill to end shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    I think allowing sequester level spending to continue in the CR was a pretty substantive compromise.....
    not really, it was the only option available.... there was no time to negotiate any other spending levels


    in any event, it's just a game of kick the can down the road until January... i'm pretty confident the 2 idiot parties will **** it all up again

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    Re: House approves bill to end shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    Here is the problem. The dems did not actually win. They just kicked the can and made a smaller concession in the final hours than the republicans wanted. They need to recognize that now that more negotiations have to happen they need to start at the far left again so the country sees the concessions they made. Do not start where this bill is bnecause the republicans will start far right again. They do not remember to reset their goals back to default left so that they have something to give up before hitting the right side of middle right off the bat like they always do.

    there was no budget passed. The debt ceiling will still be reached again. We will be here again in a few months. We have again rewarded the right wing loonies with concessions. They played the losers in the end because next time the US will remember they conceded and the dems will start from behind again even though they were never ahead.
    what concessions were awarded to the "right wing loonies"?... be specific.

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