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    Re: Senate reaches deal to end shutdown, avoid default

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    it's a lot better then defaulting.
    You can only kick the can down the road so far. Right now our debt is over 100% of our GDP and rising. It is unsustainable so all we are doing is postponing the inevitable. The American people who support liberalism are going to be hurt the worst because their welfare cards are going to be worthless due to the upcoming inflation.

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    Re: Senate reaches deal to end shutdown, avoid default

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You can only kick the can down the road so far. Right now our debt is over 100% of our GDP and rising. It is unsustainable so all we are doing is postponing the inevitable. The American people who support liberalism are going to be hurt the worst because their welfare cards are going to be worthless due to the upcoming inflation.
    Bull****. You don't get to just make **** up. CBO | The 2013 Long-Term Budget Outlook

    Debt to GDP is 73 % and not projected to reach 100 % until 1938.

    Why must you lie so often?
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    Re: Senate reaches deal to end shutdown, avoid default

    Well. That went well. Really great job, everyone. We sure won a pretty big victory, here.

    Which, I have to confess, I don't actually understand at all. But on the face of it I'm guessing it means poor people have more hoops to jump through. Shocker.
    You have to actually verify that you rate the subsidies, as opposed to just checking the box that says "give me free money". That we wanted to delay this at all in the beginning is only indicative that the administration wanted as many people on the subsidies, and was willing to increase fraud in order to increase subsidization.

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    Re: Senate reaches deal to end shutdown, avoid default

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by conservative
    You can only kick the can down the road so far. Right now our debt is over 100% of our GDP and rising. It is unsustainable so all we are doing is postponing the inevitable. The American people who support liberalism are going to be hurt the worst because their welfare cards are going to be worthless due to the upcoming inflation.
    Bull****. You don't get to just make **** up. CBO | The 2013 Long-Term Budget Outlook

    Debt to GDP is 73 % and not projected to reach 100 % until 1938.

    Why must you lie so often?
    Ahem. From your source:

    Federal debt held by the public is now about 73 percent of the economy’s annual output, or gross domestic product (GDP).

    Why must you not only engage in lies, but engage in such patently stupid ones? You know full well that the debt held by the public is not the full U.S. debt, which is what he was referring to.

    Here you are, from the famously rabid right-wing BBC:



    See how the little orange line for the U.S. ends a little bit further to the right than the line marked "100"?

    Per the Department of Commerce Bureau of Economic Analysis US GDP is about $16.66T. According to the Department of the Treasury the U.S. Public Debt is about $16.75T.

    If I may offer a suggestion, It might help if you don't go around accusing others of making **** up and lying when, in fact, they are correct .
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    Re: Senate reaches deal to end shutdown, avoid default

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Ahem. From your source:

    Federal debt held by the public is now about 73 percent of the economy’s annual output, or gross domestic product (GDP).

    Why must you lie so often?
    I figured we were using meaningful statistics. Shame on me.
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    Re: Senate reaches deal to end shutdown, avoid default

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I figured we were using meaningful statistics. Shame on me.
    no. You accused someone of lying and making **** up when, in fact, they were factually correct, and your reply was a different measurement than the one they had measured. You can complain about the stat if you like (it is hardly meaningless), but that is not the same as arguing that the specifics presented are not only incorrect, but are deliberately falsified. The major problem here is not even that you were wrong, but that you are so quick to declare that your opposition, by virtue of being your opposition, must be lying. This is simply a rather blatant incident because you were So Very Demonstrably Wrong, and your opposition was So Easily Proven Correct. Either you didn't know what you were talking about, or didn't bother to read thoroughly, and either way, didn't let that stop you from leaping immediately to cast aspersions on others.
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    Re: Senate reaches deal to end shutdown, avoid default

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    Senate reaches deal to end shutdown, avoid default - CNN.com


    Also, not verified but...



    Which, I have to confess, I don't actually understand at all. But on the face of it I'm guessing it means poor people have more hoops to jump through. Shocker.
    The "Shocker" is that people would get a subsidy from big daddy government without even having to verify if you quality for it. Our liberal controlled government now wants to give money to anyone who asks for it. Does anyone wonder why our National Debt keeps skyrocketing.
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    Re: Senate reaches deal to end shutdown, avoid default

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Ahem. From your source:

    Federal debt held by the public is now about 73 percent of the economy’s annual output, or gross domestic product (GDP).

    Why must you not only engage in lies, but engage in such patently stupid ones? You know full well that the debt held by the public is not the full U.S. debt, which is what he was referring to.

    Here you are, from the famously rabid right-wing BBC:



    See how the little orange line for the U.S. ends a little bit further to the right than the line marked "100"?

    Per the Department of Commerce Bureau of Economic Analysis US GDP is about $16.66T. According to the Department of the Treasury the U.S. Public Debt is about $16.75T.

    If I may offer a suggestion, It might help if you don't go around accusing others of making **** up and lying when, in fact, they are correct .
    Absolutely outstanding, thank you very much. you see the left is focused on distortion and totally ignores that the Intergovt. holdings are part of the debt and that we pay debt service on the TOTAL debt not just public debt. The left always calls someone who doesn't agree with them liars and worse totally ignoring their own arrogance, lies, and distortions.
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    Re: Senate reaches deal to end shutdown, avoid default

    I wonder what it is about liberals that create this kind of loyalty and lack of any ability to think. Those that claim we aren't at 100% of GDP, please explain to me what the current debt is today and what is the current GDP? To get the percentage of debt to GDP take the debt and divide it by the GDP. What is 16.8 trillion debt divided by 16.7 trillion GDP? I don't understand these people. They hear the report of the 17 trillion debt, they read the news about the 16 plus trillion economy and then post the crap about a 73% Debt to GDP ratio?

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    Re: Senate reaches deal to end shutdown, avoid default

    Quote Originally Posted by Kushinator View Post
    They gambled with the well being of the American people, and lost.

    The cost of the government shutdown was a whopping 24 billion. How can they even pretend to whine about the deficit now, especially with the egg all over their faces?
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