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    Re: Patients Pay Before Seeing Doctor as Deductibles Spread

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    Simply not true. Sorry, but you are not well informed. Yes, you see the admitting nurse, and yes they may suggest that you take it to a clinic, but they do not force you to leave. They do not refuse to see you. In some very slick ERs they now have two tiers of ER, one is like a free clinic and is usually just "through that door" for the more minor things. Otherwise you will be seen if you don't leave. Perhaps before you think you know it all, you should visit an ER in the afternoon, or late evening and learn for yourself. Everyone that chooses to remain will be seen.
    One of us has actually worked in admitting at an ER, and it's not you. Please don't spread your uneducated crap.

    Read this

    And this

    And from this:

    Non-covered medical conditions[edit]
    Not all medical problems are covered by EMTALA, meaning that a person cannot assume that if they are ill, they will be treated. Specifically, EMTALA does not cover non-emergency situations. The hospital is allowed to determine that there is no emergency, using their normal screening procedure, and then refuse EMTALA treatment [1].
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    Re: Patients Pay Before Seeing Doctor as Deductibles Spread

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    One of us has actually worked in admitting at an ER, and it's not you. Please don't spread your uneducated crap.

    Read this

    And this

    And from this:
    Just because they can doesn't mean they do. I've never seen a patient turned away, my kids were never turned away, my dad was a doc a Southwest Med Center in San Antonio, where the county ER was, maybe still is. I'm not ignorant. But I was always insured, perhaps they'll take non-emergency insured patients, is that what you're saying?
    Please give me some examples where people were truly turned away because they both had no money and the ailment wasn't an emergency, such as an ear infection, or a cold, or the flu.

    Never mind, I think I get what you're trying to say... Because my dad was at SWMC and because everywhere else I lived there were only two hospitals, ... perhaps what you're saying is that say in Dallas area or large metro, where there may be a nearby private hospital that one might try... they would send you to the community/county hospital, still ER but not a private hospital. Is that what you're saying?
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    Re: Patients Pay Before Seeing Doctor as Deductibles Spread

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    Who exactly "regulated" that insurance companies have to be between the producers and the consumers? What layers are you speaking of otherwise. Please be specific and give links as it appears you're talking out your ass.
    Regulations--Tax incentives for employer-based insurance, insurance coverage requirements, free treatment requirements at the ER, Medicare, Medicaid, Obamacare

    Layers--Medical malpractice, insurance companies, medical billing companies, lawyers, the secretary of health & human services, IPAB, Medicare, Medicaid, Obamacare.

    All of these are fairly obvious. Yeah, you can still go to a doctor and pay cash, but the damage has been done. The few who still do that aren't enough to control costs.

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    Re: Patients Pay Before Seeing Doctor as Deductibles Spread

    Quote Originally Posted by FederalRepublic View Post
    Regulations--Tax incentives for employer-based insurance, insurance coverage requirements, free treatment requirements at the ER, Medicare, Medicaid, Obamacare

    Layers--Medical malpractice, insurance companies, medical billing companies, lawyers, the secretary of health & human services, IPAB, Medicare, Medicaid, Obamacare.

    All of these are fairly obvious. Yeah, you can still go to a doctor and pay cash, but the damage has been done. The few who still do that aren't enough to control costs.
    So employers shouldn't be able to expense employee insurance? WTF.
    Until ACA Insurance coverage had no requirements.
    What shall we let people die in the streets? Walk around with infections and illnesses to infect the rest of us?

    The only medical malpractice regs have been in favor of lower pricing in that the only regs are to limit the ability of patients to sue and those are at the state level not federal.
    Doctors want medical billing companies, not the gov't, not regulated or required.
    Doctors and patients want lawyers, not a regulation
    A person in a position is not a regulation

    Medicare and medicaid actually keep prices down a bit, but I gather you're ignorant about that.
    Obamacare is yet to be determined but should help cut costs.

    As I said, talking out your ass. Everything you mention is either something wanted by docs, or simply makes sense (employer expensing expenses, there's not extra tax consideration, and not having poor people sick and dying in the streets)
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    Re: Patients Pay Before Seeing Doctor as Deductibles Spread

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    Just because they can doesn't mean they do. I've never seen a patient turned away, my kids were never turned away, my dad was a doc a Southwest Med Center in San Antonio, where the county ER was, maybe still is. I'm not ignorant. But I was always insured, perhaps they'll take non-emergency insured patients, is that what you're saying?
    Yeah, I was pretty clear about what I was saying. If you can demonstrate the ability to pay they'll see you for whatever is bothering you at the time, emergency or not.

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    Please give me some examples where people were truly turned away because they both had no money and the ailment wasn't an emergency, such as an ear infection, or a cold, or the flu.

    Never mind, I think I get what you're trying to say... Because my dad was at SWMC and because everywhere else I lived there were only two hospitals, ... perhaps what you're saying is that say in Dallas area or large metro, where there may be a nearby private hospital that one might try... they would send you to the community/county hospital, still ER but not a private hospital. Is that what you're saying?
    No. Read the links. The ER as part of their normal triage determines whether your care is critical and if you have the ability to pay. If the answer is no to both those, as determined by the ER personnel, you are not admitted and you do not receive care. The admitting personnel then advise you on your options - see your personal physician if you have one or go to a free clinic. They might also have a list of free clinics in the area for you.

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    Re: Patients Pay Before Seeing Doctor as Deductibles Spread

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Yeah, I was pretty clear about what I was saying. If you can demonstrate the ability to pay they'll see you for whatever is bothering you at the time, emergency or not.



    No. Read the links. The ER as part of their normal triage determines whether your care is critical and if you have the ability to pay. If the answer is no to both those, as determined by the ER personnel, you are not admitted and you do not receive care. The admitting personnel then advise you on your options - see your personal physician if you have one or go to a free clinic. They might also have a list of free clinics in the area for you.
    Like I said then, that explains it. With only two hospitals, there were no free clinics. I guess they had no choice but to assume it, though at least one even put in, like I said, a lesser emergency room for just such cases.
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    Re: Patients Pay Before Seeing Doctor as Deductibles Spread

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    Since Obamacare doesn't start till Jan 2014 it can't be the fault of the ACA or Obama.

    LOL. Paying taxes on something doesn't count as a "start"? LOL.

    People have already been paying for this disaster. And not as much as a band aid has anyone received in return.
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    Re: Patients Pay Before Seeing Doctor as Deductibles Spread

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Mine is Kaiser and that's the problem. If I want to see *MY* doctor, I wait for months. My wife, who sees her doctor once a year, has to set up her appointment 5-6 months ahead of time.
    That's what I have, Kaiser. I never have a problem getting appointments quickly.
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    Re: Patients Pay Before Seeing Doctor as Deductibles Spread

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    LOL. Paying taxes on something doesn't count as a "start"? LOL.

    People have already been paying for this disaster. And not as much as a band aid has anyone received in return.
    Bless your heart.
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    Re: Patients Pay Before Seeing Doctor as Deductibles Spread

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    Bless your heart.
    Don't bother. I want none of my tax dollars going for this disaster. So I will keep supporting politicians who want to kill it.
    "“If we don’t deepen our ports all along the Gulf — places like Charleston, South Carolina; or Savannah, Georgia; or Jacksonville, Florida…” -Obama

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