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    Re: Patients Pay Before Seeing Doctor as Deductibles Spread

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Why won't it stop them? Would you rather pay $30 up front or $1,500?
    They don't have to pay $1500, emergency rooms cannot refuse to care for anyone, regardless of their ability to pay. They just walk in, say they have no money and still get care.
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    Re: Patients Pay Before Seeing Doctor as Deductibles Spread

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    They don't have to pay $1500, emergency rooms cannot refuse to care for anyone, regardless of their ability to pay. They just walk in, say they have no money and still get care.
    And, actually? That's got to stop. It used to be that ERs had to stabilize nonpayers in an emergency. Now? They prescribe antibiotics for sore throats.

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    Re: Patients Pay Before Seeing Doctor as Deductibles Spread

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Are you posting this as if it's bad news? That would be good news. Emergency rooms are ridiculously over-used. If people have to pay up in advance, they'll make an appointment with their doctor -- or, YIKES! get a family doctor.

    I've had the misfortune of having to use the ER on four occasions in the last six years...for genuine pain-threshhold-ten emergencies. Somebody's there because his foot cast itches...a kid with a sore throat who's running around the waiting area...dozens of people looking just fine patiently waiting for ER care. More convenient at night is my guess. That's simply GOT to change.

    Large deductibles are a good thing.
    I'm not saying large deductibles shouldn't exist, but by your post it's obvious you did not fully read the article. This isn't at all about ER visits, it's about non-ER visits. I suggest you re-read it. If you don't walk into your first couple of doctor visits of the year with a pocket full of money, YOU WILL NOT BE SEEN.
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    Re: Patients Pay Before Seeing Doctor as Deductibles Spread

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    The other problem with modern HMOs is that it can take months to get an appointment with your doctor and if you can't wait, they will specifically direct you to the ER. If I call my doctor today, I will not see him before 2014, I guarantee it.
    I can email my Kaiser doctor and get in within a day or two. If I'm willing to see any doctor, I can get in the same day. It sounds like the problem is your HMO.
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    Re: Patients Pay Before Seeing Doctor as Deductibles Spread

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    Uh, so the President lied when he said:


    President Obama’s April 30, 2013, news conference (TRANSCRIPT) - The Washington Post

    Or perhaps it was YOU who is lying...



    a lie is a 'post of reason'...?
    I find this funny from what the President said.

    "Chuck Todd.
    Q: Mr. President, thank you. Max Baucus, Democratic senator, referred to the implementation of your health-care as a potential train wreck...And why do you believe he's wrong?

    PRESIDENT OBAMA: …The Affordable Care Act, "Obamacare," has now been with us for three years...A huge chunk of it's already been implemented…And for the 85 to 90 percent of Americans…they're already experiencing most of the benefits of the Affordable Care Act even if they don't know it. Their insurance is more secure. Insurance companies can't drop them for bad reasons. Their kids are able to stay on their health insurance until they're 26 years old. They're getting free preventive care.

    …But I think the main message I want to give to the American people here is despite all the hue and cry and, you know, sky-is- falling predictions about this stuff, if you've already got health insurance, then that part of "Obamacare" that affects you,it's pretty much already in place. And that's about 85 percent of the country."

    That the President would even think there is such a thing as free medical care. Somebody is paying for it, just not the person receiving the services.

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    Re: Patients Pay Before Seeing Doctor as Deductibles Spread

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    And, actually? That's got to stop. It used to be that ERs had to stabilize nonpayers in an emergency. Now? They prescribe antibiotics for sore throats.
    Now, anybody can go for any reason and it was the liberals who made sure that was the case. It's not going to stop and people on welfare cannot have their wages garnished, it's only going to get worse at the ER.
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    Re: Patients Pay Before Seeing Doctor as Deductibles Spread

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    GM had a crappy product that could not compete and union benefits that dwarfed IBM. My mom worked there 20 years and gets $400.00 a month. Compare that to GM union retirement.
    It did, indeed, have a crappy product. Don't get me started on my 2000 Impala as an example. but $400 a month for a Medicare supplement of any sort is excessive. They simply don't cost that much, and Kaiser is one of the least expensive.

    Or, if you meant that your mom has a $400 a month retirement from IBM, let's hope that's not her only source of income.
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    Re: Patients Pay Before Seeing Doctor as Deductibles Spread

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I can email my Kaiser doctor and get in within a day or two. If I'm willing to see any doctor, I can get in the same day. It sounds like the problem is your HMO.
    Mine is Kaiser and that's the problem. If I want to see *MY* doctor, I wait for months. My wife, who sees her doctor once a year, has to set up her appointment 5-6 months ahead of time.
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    Re: Patients Pay Before Seeing Doctor as Deductibles Spread

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    It did, indeed, have a crappy product. Don't get me started on my 2000 Impala as an example. but $400 a month for a Medicare supplement of any sort is excessive. They simply don't cost that much, and Kaiser is one of the least expensive.

    Or, if you meant that your mom has a $400 a month retirement from IBM, let's hope that's not her only source of income.
    400 income from IBM but they saved and have stocks and 401k stuff.

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    Re: Patients Pay Before Seeing Doctor as Deductibles Spread

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    That's nonsense.
    Why do you consider that nonsense? Did the bill magically add personnel to a system that is already sufferring shortages?

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