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    Re: Most Exhaustive Compilation of GMO Studies Concludes... Safe... Duh

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    The joke is that we have been genetically modifying or crops since the beginning of agriculture. That's what hybridizing is. The idea that a new method of making hybrids is inherently dangerous to our heath is pretty foolish. Genetically engineered biological WEAPONS is another story entirely.
    The development of rice that produces vitamin A has the potential of eliminating deficiency caused blindness in millions of 3rd world children. It is not a biological weapon.
    We have severely damaged things already though. One disease can erase an entire crop due to poor biodiversity or some plants become more susceptible to other danger like drought, flooding, etc. It also raises dependence on one type of seed and basically enslave entire people and if that crop fails everyone is broke and hungry.

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    Re: Most Exhaustive Compilation of GMO Studies Concludes... Safe... Duh

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Why would GMO's lead to the degradation of soil, the local ecology, or farm independence for that matter? I'm not saying you are doing this but I a lot of people conflate modern industrial agriculture with GMO's. While I support both whole heartily there is a massive difference between the two. If anything GMO's reduce the use of pesticides which I think would be a tick mark in the 'pro' column for what you seem concerned about.
    gmos dont reduce the use of pesticide,they increase it.

    yu also agued in a different post about hybridizing has been going on since the beginning of agriculture.


    problem is that when an organism is genetically modified,it tends to lose all its natural resistances,as do hybrids in many cases.over 100 years ago,pesticide use was almost non existent,because people would grow plants in more natural environments,even hybrids then often existed for a long time allowing them to gain resistance to pests and disease,and many were grew where they were native.


    since the 50's,hybrids have gotten so hybridized that they have practically no resistance to anything natural,and require extensive use of pesticide and much planning to prevent disease.also with bigger and bigger crop yields with hybrids,more nutrience is needed from the soil,depleting it heavily.thats the reason corn farmers need crop rotations,because modern hybrid corn depletes the soil after a single cycle and usually needs one to two cycles of soybean crops to restore its nutrients.further as an example of crop resistance,we had a fruit fly epidemic decades ago that destroyed crops,our fruit wasnt resistant to it,but crops where those flies oriinated were mostly resistant.everytime a plant is hybridized to increase yields the natural resistance is destroyed.


    with genetic modification,it is to a much greater effect.even worse you risk something like making a plant that may act as a weed to other existing plants.what would happen if you geneically modified corn and it accidentally became a weed that leeched off pine trees,destroying entire pine forests and ecosystems???
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    Re: Most Exhaustive Compilation of GMO Studies Concludes... Safe... Duh

    I'm curious to see the exhaustive studies of ties between GMO's and our epidemic beehive colony collapse problem.
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    Re: Most Exhaustive Compilation of GMO Studies Concludes... Safe... Duh

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post

    Can we finally discard this completely artificial phobia?
    Nope. That would violate the rock-solid Cyrylek's Law of Conservation of Idiocy in Public Discourse.

    Which states that whenever the "Right" comes up with something utterly ludicrous and anti-scientific (like the latter-day creationist fantasies, for example), the "Left" will always respond with some equally irrational - and usually more harmful - set of ludicrous and anti-scientific notions.

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    Re: Most Exhaustive Compilation of GMO Studies Concludes... Safe... Duh

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    We have severely damaged things already though. One disease can erase an entire crop due to poor biodiversity or some plants become more susceptible to other danger like drought, flooding, etc. It also raises dependence on one type of seed and basically enslave entire people and if that crop fails everyone is broke and hungry.
    GMO's have been around for almost 20 years now. Why hasn't this happened? I also would like to point out that one of the canards that some like to trot out like genetic use restriction technology (GURT) otherwise hysterically known as 'terminator genes' were in part developed to tackle that theoretical problem. By forcing the second generation of seeds to become sterile you virtually eliminate the threat of transgenes escaping into the environment and limit the radius of disease to the single generation of the affected crop strain.

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    Re: Most Exhaustive Compilation of GMO Studies Concludes... Safe... Duh

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    You would THINK that GMO's would reduce pesticides / herbicides. However, because these chemicals will not harm the crops, farmers become much more liberal in the use of these chemicals.

    Also, since these chemicals become absorbed by the plants, they can no longer simply be washed off.

    Another aspect to consider is that 99% of these studies are short term safety studies (90 days) and the few studies that were longer-term / generational studies are the ones that started showing negative effects... But those studies are quickly hit by the debunker train (often within HOURS of publishing).

    Consider, if GMO's are really that safe, why is it that Monsanto had to get liability protection for a case where GMO foods could be proven to have caused damages??
    1. Do you really think that the length and breadth of literally thousands of scientific studies (not regulatory reviews) is only concerned with "90 day safety studies"? It's nonsense. Moreover what you're saying isn't even true! The only studies to show 'damage' (all of which have been discredited) like the infamous Seralini study were short term experiments. The scientific consensus on this topic is overwhelming, trying to claim that thousands of scientists haven't really done their due diligence is just lazy. .

    2. I'm 90% confident your source on pesticide use is the now discredited Benbrook study from WSU. So I'll just post this: Scientists, Journalists Challenge Claim That GM Crops Harm The Environment - Forbes & GMOs May Feed the World Using Fewer Pesticides — NOVA Next | PBS

    3. They do not have liability protection. This is an anti-GMO myth. The clause in question has to do with the USDA issuing temporary non-regulated status to already planted crops to prevent an entire crop being wiped out by a regulatory hurdle. Nothing at all to do with liability protection.

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    Re: Most Exhaustive Compilation of GMO Studies Concludes... Safe... Duh

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    1. Do you really think that the length and breadth of literally thousands of scientific studies (not regulatory reviews) is only concerned with "90 day safety studies"? It's nonsense. Moreover what you're saying isn't even true! The only studies to show 'damage' (all of which have been discredited) like the infamous Seralini study were short term experiments. The scientific consensus on this topic is overwhelming, trying to claim that thousands of scientists haven't really done their due diligence is just lazy. .

    2. I'm 90% confident your source on pesticide use is the now discredited Benbrook study from WSU. So I'll just post this: Scientists, Journalists Challenge Claim That GM Crops Harm The Environment - Forbes & GMOs May Feed the World Using Fewer Pesticides — NOVA Next | PBS

    3. They do not have liability protection. This is an anti-GMO myth. The clause in question has to do with the USDA issuing temporary non-regulated status to already planted crops to prevent an entire crop being wiped out by a regulatory hurdle. Nothing at all to do with liability protection.
    Exactly my points...

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    Re: Most Exhaustive Compilation of GMO Studies Concludes... Safe... Duh

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    I'm more interested in whether or not "monsters" have come up in GMO development.

    Like nuclear power, I'm not against GMOs out of hand, but we've seen known bad products make it to the shelves out of greed. And that would be BAD if it happened with a non-sterile GMO.

    I've always wondered why companies that want to sell "suicide seeds" make their GMO crops fertile. Seems unnecessarily risky to me.
    Genetic use restriction technology (GURT) otherwise hysterically known as 'terminator genes' were in part developed to tackle the theoretical problem of environmental contamination and agricultural disease. By forcing the second generation of seeds to become sterile you virtually eliminate the threat of transgenes escaping into the environment and limit the radius of disease to the single generation of the affected crop strain. There are also a host of associated benefits in industrial agriculture such as by reducing the efficiency lost to volunteer plants.

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    Re: Most Exhaustive Compilation of GMO Studies Concludes... Safe... Duh

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Exactly my points...
    That was a refutation not an agreement.

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    Re: Most Exhaustive Compilation of GMO Studies Concludes... Safe... Duh

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Genetic use restriction technology (GURT) otherwise hysterically known as 'terminator genes' were in part developed to tackle the theoretical problem of environmental contamination and agricultural disease. By forcing the second generation of seeds to become sterile you virtually eliminate the threat of transgenes escaping into the environment and limit the radius of disease to the single generation of the affected crop strain. There are also a host of associated benefits in industrial agriculture such as by reducing the efficiency lost to volunteer plants.
    At least some GMO crops are fertile. Hence that guy who was successfully sued for copyright infringement when his organic farm got contaminated by an adjacent GMO field. And the more recent wheat incident.
    Anyone wondering what I'm talking about start here:
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