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    Re: Most Exhaustive Compilation of GMO Studies Concludes... Safe... Duh

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    How ignorant.
    Well then, educate me. How is it different? Btw, both are largely done in the lab these days.

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    Re: Most Exhaustive Compilation of GMO Studies Concludes... Safe... Duh

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Well then, educate me. How is it different?
    It provides genes not found in nature and crosses even kingdom lines. It creates superweeds, dependence and centralization in our agricultural system. It does far more harm to diversity than actual hybridizing. The list goes on...

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    Re: Most Exhaustive Compilation of GMO Studies Concludes... Safe... Duh

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Why would GMO's lead to the degradation of soil, the local ecology, or farm independence for that matter? I'm not saying you are doing this but I a lot of people conflate modern industrial agriculture with GMO's. While I support both whole heartily there is a massive difference between the two. If anything GMO's reduce the use of pesticides which I think would be a tick mark in the 'pro' column for what you seem concerned about.
    You would THINK that GMO's would reduce pesticides / herbicides. However, because these chemicals will not harm the crops, farmers become much more liberal in the use of these chemicals.

    Also, since these chemicals become absorbed by the plants, they can no longer simply be washed off.

    Another aspect to consider is that 99% of these studies are short term safety studies (90 days) and the few studies that were longer-term / generational studies are the ones that started showing negative effects... But those studies are quickly hit by the debunker train (often within HOURS of publishing).

    Consider, if GMO's are really that safe, why is it that Monsanto had to get liability protection for a case where GMO foods could be proven to have caused damages??

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    Re: Most Exhaustive Compilation of GMO Studies Concludes... Safe... Duh

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    It provides genes not found in nature and crosses even kingdom lines. It creates superweeds, dependence and centralization in our agricultural system. It does far more harm to diversity than actual hybridizing. The list goes on...
    Present evidence that any of this is true.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Most Exhaustive Compilation of GMO Studies Concludes... Safe... Duh

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    You would THINK that GMO's would reduce pesticides / herbicides. However, because these chemicals will not harm the crops, farmers become much more liberal in the use of these chemicals.

    Also, since these chemicals become absorbed by the plants, they can no longer simply be washed off.

    Another aspect to consider is that 99% of these studies are short term safety studies (90 days) and the few studies that were longer-term / generational studies are the ones that started showing negative effects... But those studies are quickly hit by the debunker train (often within HOURS of publishing).

    Consider, if GMO's are really that safe, why is it that Monsanto had to get liability protection for a case where GMO foods could be proven to have caused damages??
    Monsanto didn't "have to get" that. They wanted it, because what company wouldn't want liability protection for free?
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Most Exhaustive Compilation of GMO Studies Concludes... Safe... Duh

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Present evidence that any of this is true.
    I'm not doing lectures. Feel free to investigate if you want to have an informed opinion.

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    Re: Most Exhaustive Compilation of GMO Studies Concludes... Safe... Duh

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Monsanto didn't "have to get" that. They wanted it, because what company wouldn't want liability protection for free?
    Simply by getting / seeking out liability protection MEANS AT THE VERY LEAST that they are uncertain about the actual risks.

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    Re: Most Exhaustive Compilation of GMO Studies Concludes... Safe... Duh

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Simply by getting / seeking out liability protection MEANS AT THE VERY LEAST that they are uncertain about the actual risks.
    Nothing is 100% certain. I mean, asbestos was around for ages before we figured out it was deadly. Long-term effects require long-term study. Which they'll be doing. But if we'd required a lifetime's worth of study for anything that could theoretically affect one's health, we'd still be in the bronze age. We have enough data to suggest that there's no magical inherent danger to gene splicing in a lab versus hybridization versus selective breeding. Changed genes are changed genes. I mean, what you and I know to be "bananas" is not a natural product. It never existed in nature until we created it via a primitive version of genetic manipulation.

    That said, I would say that such liability protection is ****ing bull****.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Most Exhaustive Compilation of GMO Studies Concludes... Safe... Duh

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Another aspect to consider is that 99% of these studies are short term safety studies (90 days) and the few studies that were longer-term / generational studies are the ones that started showing negative effects... But those studies are quickly hit by the debunker train (often within HOURS of publishing).
    I'm glad you pointed that fact out. One of the problems is the issue of carcinogens. You shouldn't expect to find a short term problem because the doses are so small but, like smoking, ingesting even a small amount of carcinogens on a regular basis over a long period of time is a recipe for cancer. You won't see those results at only 90 days, but 20? 30? 40 years? Maybe.

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    Re: Most Exhaustive Compilation of GMO Studies Concludes... Safe... Duh

    I'm more interested in whether or not "monsters" have come up in GMO development.

    Like nuclear power, I'm not against GMOs out of hand, but we've seen known bad products make it to the shelves out of greed. And that would be BAD if it happened with a non-sterile GMO.

    I've always wondered why companies that want to sell "suicide seeds" make their GMO crops fertile. Seems unnecessarily risky to me.
    Anyone wondering what I'm talking about start here:
    The Psychology of Persuasion

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