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    Re: Most Exhaustive Compilation of GMO Studies Concludes... Safe... Duh

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    The joke is that we have been genetically modifying or crops since the beginning of agriculture. That's what hybridizing is. The idea that a new method of making hybrids is inherently dangerous to our heath is pretty foolish. Genetically engineered biological WEAPONS is another story entirely.
    The development of rice that produces vitamin A has the potential of eliminating deficiency caused blindness in millions of 3rd world children. It is not a biological weapon.
    Introducing antibiotic resistance, pesticide resistance (which transfers to weeds) and jellyfish genes to a crop is not the same as hybridizing.

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    Re: Most Exhaustive Compilation of GMO Studies Concludes... Safe... Duh

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    What about the radical increase in gluten in wheat and the corresponding rise worldwide in gluten allergy?
    1. There is no commercially available GM wheat in the world today. So this supposed correlation is impossible on its face.

    2. Some of it has had increased gluten content in field trials to assist bakers.

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    Re: Most Exhaustive Compilation of GMO Studies Concludes... Safe... Duh

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    The chemical treadmill argument is not so much about resistance, it's about chemical dependence, the degradation of soil and ecology and the loss of farm independence. Further, while new chemicals may replace old ones, they will not reverse the damage done or dependence created.
    Why would GMO's lead to the degradation of soil, the local ecology, or farm independence for that matter? I'm not saying you are doing this but I a lot of people conflate modern industrial agriculture with GMO's. While I support both whole heartily there is a massive difference between the two. If anything GMO's reduce the use of pesticides which I think would be a tick mark in the 'pro' column for what you seem concerned about.

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    Re: Most Exhaustive Compilation of GMO Studies Concludes... Safe... Duh

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Why would GMO's lead to the degradation of soil, the local ecology, or farm independence for that matter?
    This would require significant lecture. You can look into it if you're interested.

    If anything GMO's reduce the use of pesticides which I think would be a tick mark in the 'pro' column for what you seem concerned about.
    In theory. In reality, a farmer applies much more pesticide (organophosphates, RoundUp) at various times in the growing cycle because the crop cannot be harmed. Additionally, Bt splices push resistance and Bt cannot be replaced naturally.
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    Re: Most Exhaustive Compilation of GMO Studies Concludes... Safe... Duh

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    The prime reason we oppose GM labeling is because it is being pushed as a method for fear mongering. It is an effort to drive consumers away from GM foods by labeling and otherizing a product that is too complex to be understood quickly. Similar efforts in Europe were devastating.
    As I said, then allow non-GMO food to get a special label. There's no scientific basis for "Kosher" food, but some people feel very strongly that their food meet a strict set of religious conditions.

    You're in pretty dangerous territory when you advocate for decreased consumer information. If GMOs are beneficial, they'll decrease the cost to produce GMO food. That benefit has to overcome consumers perceived risk of GMO. Its simple economics.

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    Re: Most Exhaustive Compilation of GMO Studies Concludes... Safe... Duh

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    As I said, then allow non-GMO food to get a special label. There's no scientific basis for "Kosher" food, but some people feel very strongly that their food meet a strict set of religious conditions.

    You're in pretty dangerous territory when you advocate for decreased consumer information. If GMOs are beneficial, they'll decrease the cost to produce GMO food. That benefit has to overcome consumers perceived risk of GMO. Its simple economics.
    I understand what you're saying but I'm actually willing to take that risk. I think the harm caused by increased awareness in this instance does more harm than good and would contribute to a negative end. The system we've had so far in the US has functioned fine and GM adoption has continued to increase. Why change it now?

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    Re: Most Exhaustive Compilation of GMO Studies Concludes... Safe... Duh

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    1. There is no commercially available GM wheat in the world today. So this supposed correlation is impossible on its face.

    2. Some of it has had increased gluten content in field trials to assist bakers.
    Hybridization is just slow non-lab based GM, but you are correct.

    Btw, I'm not anti-GMO, but I am against monoculture and the patenting of seeds.

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    Re: Most Exhaustive Compilation of GMO Studies Concludes... Safe... Duh

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    I understand what you're saying but I'm actually willing to take that risk. I think the harm caused by increased awareness in this instance does more harm than good and would contribute to a negative end. The system we've had so far in the US has functioned fine and GM adoption has continued to increase. Why change it now?
    Generally speaking, I have no problem taking the risk for most types of food. But, I'm not about to make that choice for everyone.

    If I want to go through and produce and sell non GMO food, why should I not be able to label it as such?

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    Re: Most Exhaustive Compilation of GMO Studies Concludes... Safe... Duh

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Introducing antibiotic resistance, pesticide resistance (which transfers to weeds) and jellyfish genes to a crop is not the same as hybridizing.
    Yes, it is. Same thing, different method and timetable.

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    Re: Most Exhaustive Compilation of GMO Studies Concludes... Safe... Duh

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Yes, it is. Same thing, different method and timetable.
    How ignorant.

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