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Food stamp glitch leads to Wal-Mart stampede[W:236]

Re: Food stamp glitch leads to Wal-Mart stampede

100% pure unadulterated bull****.

How can you make excuses for people stealing from a store, and you have no idea who these people are.

If you look at the picture, I can tell you, most of them are dressed much nicer tan anything I have in my closet.

I challenge you to find one person that did this that actually needed what they took.
If you think I said they needed what they took, you have comprehension problems.
 
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If you think I said they needed what they took, you have comprehension problems.

If they didn't need it then why did they take it? Just to get back at society? You are making excuses for those people?
 
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Utter nonsense - to suggest I hate anyone is the height of the ignorant superiority the typical liberal feels over anyone who deigns to disagree with their view that people are simply victims of their circumstances. Thankfully, when countries like Canada and America were being founded and developing into the great countries they now are, there were very few with your mentality around and you should bless the ground you walk on that there are far more people in power who believe in the quality and quantity of the opportunity, intelligence, initiative and self respect of the citizens of our countries and give them great opportunities to succeed.

I don't hate you or anyone else but I damn sure hate the pathetic weakness of your arguments and your view of your fellow man - shame on you.
Be that as it may, but it simply means your available privilege is probably tons higher than it is for those folks. Hell, even comparing me, a homeless white old lady,...I have more available privilege than these folks because I'm white, and educated, and originally from a wealthy-ish family. I'm homeless in order to not be on the dole, as I take the time required to find truly where I want to be without crashing my funds entirely, so I'll still have a nut when I find that place, and get my biz set up. See, how I see think due to the nature of my privilege? But to suggest that folks that are raised three families deep in two bedroom homes and all that goes with that, should be expected to have my level of optimism and faith in themselves and their ability to succeed well enough to even have a home with only one family in it??? In my opinion it would take a lot hate to not see the difference and to not allow oneself to at understand, not promote, not encourage, but simply understand why they might cut loose in such a fashion given the situation.

Perhaps though as I type this, the level of opportunity privilege you and I have does seem to put in places where we really don't have to see anything we don't want to... is that ignorance maybe instead of hatred. .. maybe.
 
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If they didn't need it then why did they take it? Just to get back at society? You are making excuses for those people?
I'm sorry you are incapable of reading what was written, but I can't help you with that, I'm not a grade school teacher.
 
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I'm sorry you are incapable of reading what was written, but I can't help you with that, I'm not a grade school teacher.

I read exactly what you wrote.

You are making excuses because of some assumption on your part that these people have in some way been excluded from society or they have had obstacles put in their way that other, honest people have not. You have no way of knowing that.

These people are thieves and nothing more. You can't make excuses for criminals. If this happened again, they would do it again. It is just who they are.
 
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I read exactly what you wrote.

You are making excuses because of some assumption on your part that these people have in some way been excluded from society or they have had obstacles put in their way that other, honest people have not. You have no way of knowing that.

These people are thieves and nothing more. You can't make excuses for criminals. If this happened again, they would do it again. It is just who they are.
Still you do not comprehend what I wrote. Closer though.
 
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If they didn't need it then why did they take it? Just to get back at society? You are making excuses for those people?
Because "free".

Some of them might have needed some of it, but I doubt all of them needed all they chose.
 
Re: Walmart shelves in Springhill, Mansfield, cleared in EBT glitch

They could have set a store limit, which would have made sense.
American: one way or the other--and it really doesn't matter which way you look at this--Walmart had complete control over this. If you're a cowboy are you going to let that cattle do whatever it wants or are you going to be responsible for managing your responsibilities? This is no different than Black Friday and people running over one another to get to deals--it's the store's responsibility to manage the store and customer safety.

But you see the character of people who find out there's a glitch in their favor, turn into rabid thieves.
Yep. I see it in rich people not wishing to pay their fair share of taxes and sending their money to off shore accounts. Dag gone rabid thieves. :mrgreen:
 
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WalMart is a $trillion corporation with virtually unlimited sales in all their locations. To suggest that Walmart would conspire to make a few bucks in this way is nonsense and a phony charge. It's plain and simple to those who aren't apologists for the criminal elements of society - people saw an opportunity to steal and some dove right in - they should be rounded up, forced to return the goods - any goods that have been consumed or can't be returned become the financial responsibility of the thief - and those who spread the word around the community that they could use their assistance cards to steal from WalMart and the government should go to jail.

What is plain and simple is that Walmart and the people who made those purchases are equally culpable. Both parties knew that the cards had limits and that a glitch caused those limits to be lifted. Both parties conspired to defraud the government knowing the aforementioned facts. The only difference is that Walmart knew there were procedures to follow but chose to enable and encourage fraud instead. The best you can say for Walmart is that they were too lazy to call Xerox and didn't want to decline sales. Doesn't make them any less guilty.
 
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What is plain and simple is that Walmart and the people who made those purchases are equally culpable. Both parties knew that the cards had limits and that a glitch caused those limits to be lifted. Both parties conspired to defraud the government knowing the aforementioned facts. The only difference is that Walmart knew there were procedures to follow but chose to enable and encourage fraud instead. The best you can say for Walmart is that they were too lazy to call Xerox and didn't want to decline sales. Doesn't make them any less guilty.

Nonsense.

Please explain for everyone how WalMart accesses the available balance on these cards for each customer who enters their stores and presents the card for payment.

Please tell us the reaction of liberals if WalMart had refused to accept EBT cards from poor Americans.

As I said previously, the only people who had direct knowledge of their available balance and knew beyond any doubt that they were cheating and stealing were the people who chose to use the cards fraudulently, knowing well that they were cheating the system and stealing.

Nobody, no company, forces the immoral and dishonest to be criminal - they choose that path themselves, regardless of how many bleeding heart apologists on the left wish to excuse their immorality and dishonesty.
 
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Nonsense. Please explain for everyone how WalMart accesses the available balance on these cards for each customer who enters their stores and presents the card for payment.

According to the Louisiana Department of Children And Family Services, there are clear procedures for stores to contact Xerox for purchase authorization if the EBT system fails.

Please tell us the reaction of liberals if WalMart had refused to accept EBT cards from poor Americans.

I'm a liberal and I was in a grocery store when this happened. They made an announcement saying that no EBT purchases would be allowed until the system was restored. My reaction was that they made the right call.

As I said previously, the only people who had direct knowledge of their available balance and knew beyond any doubt that they were cheating and stealing were the people who chose to use the cards fraudulently, knowing well that they were cheating the system and stealing.

Oh please. Its not like Walmart was ignorant of what was going on. They knew exactly what was happening and they chose to allow it.
 
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Nonsense.

Please explain for everyone how WalMart accesses the available balance on these cards for each customer who enters their stores and presents the card for payment.

Please tell us the reaction of liberals if WalMart had refused to accept EBT cards from poor Americans.

As I said previously, the only people who had direct knowledge of their available balance and knew beyond any doubt that they were cheating and stealing were the people who chose to use the cards fraudulently, knowing well that they were cheating the system and stealing.

Nobody, no company, forces the immoral and dishonest to be criminal - they choose that path themselves, regardless of how many bleeding heart apologists on the left wish to excuse their immorality and dishonesty.

Well said, CJ. :2wave:

The disturbing part of this is that they don't feel sorry or guilty about what they are doing...they celebrate their success! :wow: This Country didn't used to be that way...what has happened to people to prompt this type of behavior?
 
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1. WalMart doesn't run the system, the government does - if there's a problem with the system, the owner/operator of the system is responsible for monitoring the system and closing it down if problems arise. Do you think VISA has such problems with their credit card system? Do you think they don't know when someone is trying to spend more than their limit allows? I don't know the details related to how this glitch was discovered or how WalMart attempted to notify the government agency in control, but I can understand WalMart saying that they will accept any method of payment that is accepted at source. To do otherwise is to set themselves up for lawsuits and other actions. For all WalMart knows, Obama may have decided in his capacity as King to eliminate all EBT spending limits during the government shutdown.

2. To think a $trillion corporation like WalMart pursues fraudulent sales as a means of "personal gain" is just nonsense designed to excuse the real criminals in the matter, those who knowingly overspent what they knew was their spending limit. I'll bet you those with the cards who got more than they should have were spreading the news around the neighborhood that everyone could get free stuff if they hurried and the immoral, criminal elements among them rushed to the store to get what they could in an attempt at "legal looting".

3. An easy way for WalMart to be held accountable, is for those who stole from the government to return the goods and have them refunded under the card they were fraudulently purchased under. You'll have a hard time convincing any honest person that WalMart conspired with criminals to purposely defraud the government.

The EBT glitch was a complete outage. These two Walmart locations (and apparently none anywhere else) decided to ring up the items anyway despite the fact they couldn't verify the EBT cards had funds, or that the EBT cards were even valid. They would have the EBT card info and purchase amounts to send through Xerox once the outage was over.

As it happens, my bank has been through the same thing. Their computers went down and if you tried using the card the retailer could not get an approval through the system. So the retailer would have no idea whether I had funds available to use my debit card or even if my debit card was valid. Pretty much the exact same scenario. I actually tried using my debit card while the computers were down. You know what didn't happen? The retailer did not let me buy as much as I wanted because they couldn't determine that I was unable to pay it with debit. That would be crazy. Instead, without an approval on my debit card transaction they choose to require payment using something they could get an approval on, or you could simply not buy the goods. I had a credit card through a different bank with me so just charged it to that. I also could have used cash. If I had been unable to pay for my items I'd have left the store without them.

Why we expect a government program to work differently than a non-government bank I do not understand.
 
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I argued against what you posted - I can imagine that you'd be a little uncomfortable defending what you posted, so you resort to attacking me and not the message.

Imagine what you like. If I was an eighth-grade teacher and had to illustrate a strawman argument to a slow student, your reply would do nicely. When your reply begins with, "I bet you are..." you've abandoned reasoned debate and demonstrated intellectual laziness or intellectual dishonesty or intellectual inadequacy (if not all three).

WalMart is a $trillion corporation with virtually unlimited sales in all their locations. To suggest that Walmart would conspire to make a few bucks in this way is nonsense and a phony charge.

WalMart is a notoriously bad corporate citizen. The name has become a verb, as in, "Stores have been closed since downtown was walmarted." Those people who looted the system were motivated by opportunistic greed, as was WalMart when they happily rang up impossible overages on those cards. And don't pretend they had no choice, several posters here have cited stores putting up signs saying they can't accept those cards untill the system was back up.
'Course, those stores were good citizens.

It's plain and simple to those who aren't apologists for the criminal elements of society

Ohferchristsake.
Fine, have your little display. No doubt you can hear the ghostly applause of dozens of lurkers who have the same simplistic disregard for reason and discourse. Easier and showier to build a nasty-looking strawman and annihilate him.

- people saw an opportunity to steal and some dove right in - they should be rounded up, forced to return the goods - any goods that have been consumed or can't be returned become the financial responsibility of the thief - and those who spread the word around the community that they could use their assistance cards to steal from WalMart and the government should go to jail.

See, that right there makes sense. I agree with that. Well, I doubt that anyone stole from WalMart - I'm sure they'll get paid because corporations aren't held to the same moral standards that individuals are. In fact, they'd probably resist your 'return' scenario but it sounds nice and cosy.
 
Re: Walmart shelves in Springhill, Mansfield, cleared in EBT glitch

American: one way or the other--and it really doesn't matter which way you look at this--Walmart had complete control over this. If you're a cowboy are you going to let that cattle do whatever it wants or are you going to be responsible for managing your responsibilities? This is no different than Black Friday and people running over one another to get to deals--it's the store's responsibility to manage the store and customer safety.

Yep. I see it in rich people not wishing to pay their fair share of taxes and sending their money to off shore accounts. Dag gone rabid thieves. :mrgreen:

There is no "fair" share of taxes, get the **** over it. Anyone who doesn't try to minimize their tax burden is an idiot.
 
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So how can someone can be obese but malnourished ( unless your talking about a poor diet ) . One cant be starving while someone is over weight actually that would be better for one to skip a meal it would add more years to ones life ( for a obese individual of course ) .

Yes, I am talking about poor diet.

Calories and nourishment are not the same thing. People on food stamps often don't have enough to get nourishing food, so they get junk in bulk instead. It's kind of hard to blame them.

However, they are still going to be malnourished. And I can tell you from experience that even if you are eating enough calories, if you are malnourished, you will continue to be hungry, and you will also be quite ill.
 
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1)No, I pointed out your ignorant and sheltered existence doesn't serve as a proof here. And that if you want to validate the claim it is very easy

2) So confident in your position you needed to validate yourself with something so inanely generalized to be meaningless

people abuse the welfare system for all manner of reasons. Some have fake accounts, others are selling their benefits for drugs, etc

Ugh, you haven't hung out in the ghetto much, huh?

Who said everyone on welfare was lazy or that they abuse the system? The truth, much like with the subject matter of this thread, lays on both sides here: Some people need welfare and state assistance, others simply abuse it. Unfortunately the current system doesn't do a good job of weeding out the two.

It's an easy source of revenue and welfare fraud or selling off your EBT isn't complicated. Honestly, you should get out more

So once again, you have no evidence that this happens on any real scale.

I've lived in places you wouldn't believe. I saw people, not political arguments.

You still haven't answered my question. If these people could get food the easy way, why would they do it the hard way? The answer is, they wouldn't.

And if they wouldn't do it, why would anyone with EBT try to make money that way? The answer is, they wouldn't.

So even if you're right that there's some massive quantity of people doing this, all you've done is shoot your argument in the foot. You'd have just proved that large numbers of the starving poor are unable to even get assistance.
 
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So once again, you have no evidence that this happens on any real scale.

I've lived in places you wouldn't believe. I saw people, not political arguments.

lol ...

You still haven't answered my question. If these people could get food the easy way, why would they do it the hard way? The answer is, they wouldn't.

I did answer your question: despite your completely naive take on the situation, it isn't hard

And if they wouldn't do it, why would anyone with EBT try to make money that way? The answer is, they wouldn't.

because they don't actually need the food? Like, say, if they are collecting multiple benefits

So even if you're right that there's some massive quantity of people doing this

No one said massive, I said constantly. And yes, the fact that you can find multiple people selling them in front of any ghetto grocery store, and in the open, would more than fit that label

all you've done is shoot your argument in the foot.

I'm not sure you having a tantrum over the fact that someone called you out on not knowing what you speak of amounts to "shooting myself in the foot"

You'd have just proved that large numbers of the starving poor are unable to even get assistance.

What?
 
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lol ...

I did answer your question: despite your completely naive take on the situation, it isn't hard

because they don't actually need the food? Like, say, if they are collecting multiple benefits

No one said massive, I said constantly. And yes, the fact that you can find multiple people selling them in front of any ghetto grocery store, and in the open, would more than fit that label

I'm not sure you having a tantrum over the fact that someone called you out on not knowing what you speak of amounts to "shooting myself in the foot"

What?

*sigh* Ok. Slower this time.

People who can afford food easily want to get in, out, and on with their lives. They certainly don't want to spend additional time acquiring something of unknown quality while risking possible repercussion if they could just go in and get it themselves and avoid all of that.

Also, these can't possibly be people on EBT themselves. Free is better than reduced price to people who are in a pinch.

So, if you are right, and this is happening "constantly" or whatever you want to call it, then you've just proven the American system leaves people without reasonable ability to eat. The only reason illegal markets ever flourish is because something is inaccessible through legal means.

I could almost believe that, since we're talking about neighborhoods stricken with poverty.

But man, I've been to places in this country that look like they've been bombed. Gotta say I've never seen this. Sounds like another "lazy parasites" meme to me.
 
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*sigh* Ok. Slower this time.

People who can afford food easily want to get in, out, and on with their lives. They certainly don't want to spend additional time acquiring something of unknown quality while risking possible repercussion if they could just go in and get it themselves and avoid all of that.

again, I understand what you are saying, but it simply isn't true and you need to get out more. Welfare fraud is not difficult, nor is there a high risk of getting caught. Seriously, how hard do you think it is to stand out in front of a grocery store for an hour to make 200 bucks? It's not like the cops are going to swoop in and arrest you. They have more important things to worry about.

And reporting people to the welfare office is a complete waste of time


Also, these can't possibly be people on EBT themselves. Free is better than reduced price to people who are in a pinch.

because they are not in a pinch like you keep asserting

So, if you are right, and this is happening "constantly" or whatever you want to call it, then you've just proven the American system leaves people without reasonable ability to eat. The only reason illegal markets ever flourish is because something is inaccessible through legal means.

Or people like saving money on their groceries and it's an easy and well established way to game the system ...

So, if you are right, and this is happening "constantly" or whatever you want to call it, then you've just proven the American system leaves people without reasonable ability to eat. The only reason illegal markets ever flourish is because something is inaccessible through legal means.

I could almost believe that, since we're talking about neighborhoods stricken with poverty.

That's because you likely haven't been to such places, or spent any significant time in them (besides to play ghetto at some hipster coffee house) . And being that I have been clear some people do need assistance, I am unsure how it can be a "parasite meme"
 
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OK, the EBT. I finally made the connection between this story and the sign outside the Mavericks that said "EBT is down and we will not be accepting transactions".

I had never heard of "EBT" and I thought it was another name for a debit card. Hehe. Looks like these two Walmarts were the only places that were not able to place 2 and 2 together.
 
Re: Walmart shelves in Springhill, Mansfield, cleared in EBT glitch

I read what they write.

So do I and I reproduced a comment from a poster wondering about RIOTS if this was not allowed. Now combine that with the pics of the store in question and tell me just who is that was suppose to RIOT? Who is the group that was predicted to RIOT if the verdict in the Zimmerman case was not to their liking? Just which ethnic group is it that is predominately associated with RIOTS?

If you can honestly answer that you will see it was there before I ever brought it up.
 
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So do I and I reproduced a comment from a poster wondering about RIOTS if this was not allowed. Now combine that with the pics of the store in question and tell me just who is that was suppose to RIOT? Who is the group that was predicted to RIOT if the verdict in the Zimmerman case was not to their liking? Just which ethnic group is it that is predominately associated with RIOTS?

If you can honestly answer that you will see it was there before I ever brought it up.

So you can't refute his facts so you impune his motives. I can't say that those aren't his motives, but the key point on THIS thread is that he didn't bring up race, YOU did. You also didn't challenge him directly, you coyly asked it as an indirect question.

People who aspire to a color blind world are constantly dragged back by the likes of you who relish the opportunity to bring up the subject. On this thread, shame on you. If I do see that from the OP on another thread, then on that thread it will be shame on them.
 
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*sigh* Ok. Slower this time.

People who can afford food easily want to get in, out, and on with their lives. They certainly don't want to spend additional time acquiring something of unknown quality while risking possible repercussion if they could just go in and get it themselves and avoid all of that.

Also, these can't possibly be people on EBT themselves. Free is better than reduced price to people who are in a pinch.

So, if you are right, and this is happening "constantly" or whatever you want to call it, then you've just proven the American system leaves people without reasonable ability to eat. The only reason illegal markets ever flourish is because something is inaccessible through legal means.

I could almost believe that, since we're talking about neighborhoods stricken with poverty.

But man, I've been to places in this country that look like they've been bombed. Gotta say I've never seen this. Sounds like another "lazy parasites" meme to me.

I can assure you it's a regular occurance. I will say it was much more common when they were actual "stamps" but still with the ebt card, it happens frequently. I know people who do it and I have been approached numerous times to do it. Some people would rather have cash than food, especially when they know they can get free food at a shelter, numerous food banks ( which will provide a week or two of groceries), or even some churches if they are hungry. They know the game and it's not hard to play or find people who want to buy $100 worth of groceries for $50.
 
WalMart is as guilty as the people.

"Lynd explained the cards weren't showing limits and they called corporate Wal-Mart, whose spokesman said to let the people use the cards anyway."

Yep, I have to agree.

And as far as the EBT card holders that took advantage of this glitch, they should have their EBT docked until they've paid back what they've stolen.
 
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