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Food stamp glitch leads to Wal-Mart stampede[W:236]

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Hatuey said:
If the bank makes an error in your favor, and then refuses to do anything about it - it's their problem and you're not on the hook. Walmart knew there was a problem with EBT cards and refused to take measures to correct it. They can go **** themselves.
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The question comes in whether or not your intentional defrauding the bank

If you try to take $1000 out of your checking account when up you know you on,y have $200, but you know the banks system is down....then I'd think you'd be partially at fault for defrauding the bank. They acted recklessly as we'll giving you money without being able to verify your limit, but you knowingly tried to get them to give you more than you had

That said, corporate hq at Walmart are idiots. I understand they likely didn't want to take the chance of negative affects from disallowing food stamp purchasers for an undetermined amount of time but I have to imagine that glitch would've been a legitimate excuse
 
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Henrin said:
No, business owners earn an income through their own work and the work of their employees and investors. A profit for a business occurs when the amount of revenue gained from a business activity exceeds the expenses, costs and taxes needed to sustain the activity. The only entity to take home the profit are business owners that are people. Only people can earn an income and only people can pay taxes.
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So when Apple reports a profit of 7 billion dollars, it did not actually make a profit?

That is what you are saying. Which is clearly not the case. Apple as a business made a profit, and pays taxes on that profit
 
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Born Free said:
Using your logic a corporation would keep on raising their prices to make more money to pay more taxes. Good for Obama and liberals that think there is no end to the money supply to spend on entitlements. Yep the more you tax business the more they raise prices to pay more taxes. Really good for Obama but bad for the consumer. Do you get it?
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Are you trying to apply some arcane political slant to my brain?
 
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Neomalthusian said:
According to the new liberal economic paradigm, this little mishap is a good thing. The poor going on spending sprees helps them out, boosts demand, the demand causes companies to hire more people, those people then spend more money, and then those businesses earn and invest and hire more, the economy grows, we reach full employment, and our debt problems are resolved.
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Yeah... I'd appreciate it if you didn't pretend to speak for me. You get me very wrong. Thanks.
 
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Lord Tammerlain said:
So when Apple reports a profit of 7 billion dollars, it did not actually make a profit?

That is what you are saying. Which is clearly not the case. Apple as a business made a profit, and pays taxes on that profit
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Yes, that is what I'm saying. Apple is just a company owned and operated by people. Those people are taxed when the government taxes the profits of the corporation.
 
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apdst said:
There's a such a thing as self responsibility.
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Where is Walmart's? Their responsibility was to follow the standards set on the EBT cards. They did not. They can't fault consumers for not following them either. It's not as if Wal-Mart corporates had no clue what was going on. They got wind of it. They should have put a stop to it. Is that not the mantra for you? If the higher ups know about it, they're at fault?
 
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Jerry said:
EBT is enabling, not assisting.

Assistance would look like an EBT value = to 20% of their pay check. This encourages the recipiant to work.
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You'd think so, but look at the Earned Income Credit. It's basically welfare the rewards low income people for having a job.

Except, many that benefit from it don't have to have a job. There's a lot of people out there willing to create a fraudulent income tax return claiming non-existent income to generate large tax refunds based on it. What would prevent the same from happening with EBT value based on income?
 
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Hatuey said:
Where is Walmart's? Their responsibility was to follow the standards set on the EBT cards. They did not. They can't fault consumers for not following them either. It's not as if Wal-Mart corporates had no clue what was going on. They got wind of it. They should have put a stop to it. Is that not the mantra for you? If the higher ups know about it, they're at fault?
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What those customers did was nothing less than theft. Just because Wal Mart allowed it to happen--yes,csharing some of the blame--doesn't excuse it.
 
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poweRob said:
Yeah... I'd appreciate it if you didn't pretend to speak for me. You get me very wrong. Thanks.
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I wasn't singling you, poweRob, out with that comment. If I got you very wrong, perhaps (though please do correct me if I'm wrong) that reflects that your leaders are getting it wrong. Eh?
 
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vvx said:
You'd think so, but look at the Earned Income Credit. It's basically welfare the rewards low income people for having a job.

Except, many that benefit from it don't have to have a job. There's a lot of people out there willing to create a fraudulent income tax return claiming non-existent income to generate large tax refunds based on it. What would prevent the same from happening with EBT value based on income?
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I don't you average crook has the means to commit fraud on that level.
 
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Neomalthusian said:
I wasn't singling you, poweRob, out with that comment. If I got you very wrong, perhaps (though please do correct me if I'm wrong) that reflects that your leaders are getting it wrong. Eh?
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Let me know when anyone you think is my leader applauds abuse of the Food Stamp Program. You might have had a point with the funding of food stamps program as being economically better than trickle down but the snide remark that liberals applaud program abuse kind of killed your message.
 
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Anyone who is or has benefited from food stamps should be angry at these thiefs. Someone who has fallen on hard times and needs temporary assistance is going to get crap because of the association with people like at these Walmarts. Fraud also rewards the dishonest at the expense of the honest. When what we'd really want is to reward the honest people for being honest.
 
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apdst said:
I don't you average crook has the means to commit fraud on that level.
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I don't expect the average EBT user is capable of faking income to increase benefits in an income based EBT system. Nor is the average EIC recipient. Fortunately for them it's very easy to find someone willing to do that bit for you - for rather large fees. Very profitable for a preparer willing to create fictional income or losses to maximize tax credits that are supposed to help low income folks. All the EBT user needs to know is if you go to Johnny on 3rd st he can double your EBT benefits.
 
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Zyphlin said:
The question comes in whether or not your intentional defrauding the bank

If you try to take $1000 out of your checking account when up you know you on,y have $200, but you know the banks system is down....then I'd think you'd be partially at fault for defrauding the bank. They acted recklessly as we'll giving you money without being able to verify your limit, but you knowingly tried to get them to give you more than you had

That said, corporate hq at Walmart are idiots. I understand they likely didn't want to take the chance of negative affects from disallowing food stamp purchasers for an undetermined amount of time but I have to imagine that glitch would've been a legitimate excuse
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When a riot broke out, the hand wringers wouldn't give a rat's ass about a legitimate excuse. They would accuse walmart of racism and hating the poor.

Walmart took the path of least resistance.
 
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vvx said:
I don't expect the average EBT user is capable of faking income to increase benefits in an income based EBT system. Nor is the average EIC recipient. Fortunately for them it's very easy to find someone willing to do that bit for you - for rather large fees. Very profitable for a preparer willing to create fictional income or losses to maximize tax credits that are supposed to help low income folks. All the EBT user needs to know is if you go to Johnny on 3rd st he can double your EBT benefits.
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It would cost more than they would make from the scam.
 
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Lutherf said:
What...you've got a whole bunch of people who are used to getting free stuff and then something happens where they have an opportunity to get MORE free stuff and people are surprised when they take advantage of the deal? What do you figure "entitlement" means?
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Seriously. Walmart chooses not to risk turning away honest EBT card holders and someone wants to fault THEM for the thieves?

Holy Crap, I know some people have a hate boner for Walmart, but that is ridiculous.
 
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apdst said:
What those customers did was nothing less than theft.
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Theft would mean the owner of the store had some objection to them using the EBT cards to take the items. As the owner did not, it's not theft. For example, if I decide to walk into a store and an owner knowing full well the price of an item decides he will not object to me paying less for the item or simply taking it out of the store without paying, it's not theft. Where were the Wal-Mart managers through it all? They didn't know EBT cards had limits and regulations? They should have told their employees to exercise the same judgement a machine would. They didn't? They're bare full liability for their loses. Not the customer.

What's that capitalist saying? The customer is always right.
 
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apdst said:
When a riot broke out, the hand wringers wouldn't give a rat's ass about a legitimate excuse. They would accuse walmart of racism and hating the poor.

Walmart took the path of least resistance.
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The hypothetical scenario allowing you to play the victim... it lacks content.
 
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Un biased said:
Food stamp glitch leads to Wal-Mart stampede- MSN Money

People abusing a system they new had limits the people who were practically stealing . Shame on you .
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In the midst of my outrage, I see an interview on the TV with some of the recipients of food stamps (ebt or whatever), and I begin to understand.... some of these people are in poor condition for sure. However it is a condition brought on by a deficit in education, another bastion of liberal control.

Just a little story: I have a co-worker who is Hispanic. Who won his citizenship under Reagan amnesty. He lives in a largely Hispanic middle class neighborhood, and has friends and neighbors "all" of which he claims use ebt cards (they might be called snap here). He knows his community as a whole applies for assistance under false pretenses. He refuses to drink his friend's beer when offered because his friend's family receives food stamps while making better than 50K, per year in construction. This is not the exception in that Hispanic community, fraud is rampant.
 
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poweRob said:
The hypothetical scenario allowing you to play the victim... it lacks content.
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Hatuey said:
Theft would mean the owner of the store had some objection to them using the EBT cards to take the items. As the owner did not, it's not theft. For example, if I decide to walk into a store and an owner knowing full well the price of an item decides he will not object to me paying less for the item or simply taking it out of the store without paying, it's not theft. Where were the Wal-Mart managers through it all? They didn't know EBT cards had limits and regulations? They should have told their employees to exercise the same judgement a machine would. They didn't? They're bare full liability for their loses. Not the customer.

What's that capitalist saying? The customer is always right.
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Your inability to recognize when theft has occurred may be why you are "very liberal". Just a thought...
 
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FederalRepublic said:
I guess they could just say no and let people starve to death. That's not terribly P.C., now is it?
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Or somebody could have done the right thing and reported the glitch to the welfare office so the issue could have been averted in the first place.
 
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Un biased said:
Food stamp glitch leads to Wal-Mart stampede- MSN Money

People abusing a system they new had limits the people who were practically stealing . Shame on you .
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I am amazed that anyone is surprised by this! Of course it is a God given right for those addicted to their entitlements to take whatever they can. It is tantamount to looting and should be prosecuted as such. Wal-Mart execs included. A sad commentary to what our society has let happen.
 
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jmotivator said:
Seriously. Walmart chooses not to risk turning away honest EBT card holders and someone wants to fault THEM for the thieves?

Holy Crap, I know some people have a hate boner for Walmart, but that is ridiculous.
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Several someone's, apparently.

It's just ingrained in some people to figure that whatever a corporation does is bad. Hell, if Exxon started giving away free houses people would complain and cry "CONSPIRACY!!!".
 
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