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Food stamp glitch leads to Wal-Mart stampede[W:236]

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Well as I said we should just shut the whole thing down and exicute the rioters. Its a win/win.
That's not what I'm agreeing with. Your violence level is way too high for logical consequences.
 
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Well, if the bank makes an error saying you have more money than you do, and you manage to spend the overage - you're on the hook. If the IRS sends you a larger return than you are entitled to - you're on the hook.

Actually, the bank thing depends on whether you contacted them about the error. If you tell the bank that they made an error and you can prove that they said that it wasn't in error, you aren't "on the hook".

What Happens if There Is a Bank Error in Your Favor? | eHow

In some rare cases, banks and other organizations involved in the account credit mistake insist that your account is fine. To be safe, it's best to get something in writing to this effect and to note the discrepancy you believe exists. If the institutions continue to state that everything is in order, you may be able to keep the funds. Ethically, even if this happens, it is still is your responsibility to make a good-faith effort to find out who really owns the funds.
 
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Really? What else was the store supposed to do? They had two options:
1. Nobody gets to use an EBT until things are fixed or;
2. You just take people's word for what's available.

WalMart is going to end up taking the hit on this because they will only be reimbursed whatever the cardholder's limit was.

The way I read the article it wasn't even someone at the store that made the decision. It sounds like the store management kicked it up to Bentonville and corporate made the decision.

Personally, I think they made the right decision.

Walmart's business model is contingent on moving volume to the low-income and lower-middle-income demographic.

It's bad business for Walmart to piss off poor people.

So rather than sending the message that "poor people are largely dishonest and we just can't trust them" Walmart, knowing that that was true, decided to take the beating.

Walmart made $16B last year and they're on track to repeat that performance this year.

The cost of absorbing this thievery was probably the lesser between biting that bullet and taking a position that the media would have spun into some 1%-er bull****.

Either give a couple hundred "customers" a grocery cart full of food or be dragged through the mud in the press and on social media for actually enforcing the idea that Walmart owns their inventory until a paying customer can demonstrate that he or she actually has the funds necessary to make a purchase.
 
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Honestly, although the people are not blameless here, Walmart is much more responsible after they realized there was no limit and still allowed it to happen. The government should hold WalMart responsible for any overcharges.

The businesses around here put up signs to apologize and say that they simply couldn't accept EBT due to a system problem and that is what WalMart should have done, unless they are willing to cover the additional costs.

That's exactly what the grocery store I work at did. There were no problems whatsoever.
 
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Really? What else was the store supposed to do? They had two options:
1. Nobody gets to use an EBT until things are fixed or;
2. You just take people's word for what's available.

WalMart is going to end up taking the hit on this because they will only be reimbursed whatever the cardholder's limit was.

The first one. The store was supposed to do the first one.

As I said, they're not blameless, by any means.

But neither are the people who went nuts purchasing stuff. They, also, know that EBT has limits. But they abused Wal-Mart's mistake anyway.

Oddly, this has reminded me that I passed a large pickup apparently belonging to Halliburton (or so the decals on the doors and tailgate said) on the way to work today. Not sure why it reminded me.

This is also true. Both Wal-Mart and their customers took the greedy route.
 
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In an odd coincidence, the previous shift at the data center where I work apparently received a call regarding this issue.

Apparently someone was trying to contact whoever was working on it, or something.
 
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The way I read the article it wasn't even someone at the store that made the decision. It sounds like the store management kicked it up to Bentonville and corporate made the decision.

Personally, I think they made the right decision.

Walmart's business model is contingent on moving volume to the low-income and lower-middle-income demographic.

It's bad business for Walmart to piss off poor people.

So rather than sending the message that "poor people are largely dishonest and we just can't trust them" Walmart, knowing that that was true, decided to take the beating.

Walmart made $16B last year and they're on track to repeat that performance this year.

The cost of absorbing this thievery was probably the lesser between biting that bullet and taking a position that the media would have spun into some 1%-er bull****.

Either give a couple hundred "customers" a grocery cart full of food or be dragged through the mud in the press and on social media for actually enforcing the idea that Walmart owns their inventory until a paying customer can demonstrate that he or she actually has the funds necessary to make a purchase.
If they actually do bite the bullet on this, then my opinion of WalMart would certainly moderate. I doubt they will though, I bet they push it onto the individuals and then it will simply depend if the state decides to absorb it instead, pushing the costs to the taxpayers. I don't see WalMart stepping up willingly.
 
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That's not what I'm agreeing with. Your violence level is way too high for logical consequences.
All possible consiquences fit inside a logical framework, so all possible consequence are logical.
 
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All possible consiquences fit inside a logical framework, so all possible consequence are logical.
Circle jerk thinking is fun.
 
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Xerox should have to pay for this, their screw up. And every person that went on their shopping spree should be charged with EBT fraud.
 
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If they actually do bite the bullet on this, then my opinion of WalMart would certainly moderate. I doubt they will though, I bet they push it onto the individuals and then it will simply depend if the state decides to absorb it instead, pushing the costs to the taxpayers. I don't see WalMart stepping up willingly.

Seriously?

Let's say that they lost $100k in inventory (and I figure that's double or triple what the number would have actually been) then how much do you think it will cost them on top of that to litigate this mess? They'll request full reimbursement from the Dept of Agriculture and be told "no" at which point they'll eat the loss because it makes no sense to do otherwise.

I mean, seriously, who are they going to sue? The chick with 4 kids that gets $1100/mo in disability?
 
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Seriously?

Let's say that they lost $100k in inventory (and I figure that's double or triple what the number would have actually been) then how much do you think it will cost them on top of that to litigate this mess? They'll request full reimbursement from the Dept of Agriculture and be told "no" at which point they'll eat the loss because it makes no sense to do otherwise.

I mean, seriously, who are they going to sue? The chick with 4 kids that gets $1100/mo in disability?
Maybe the married mom with 1 kid and her loser husband?

Or how about some furlowed federal employees?

No, even better, illegal imogrents with anker babies.
 
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Maybe the married mom with 1 kid and her loser husband?

Or how about some furlowed federal employees?

You mean sue their own employees?

Maybe.
 
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Anyone else feel there may be a correlation between how these people behave and their need to be assisted?
 
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You mean sue their own employees?

Maybe.
Stranger things have happened...like prosecuting soldiers for doing their job.
 
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Seriously?

Let's say that they lost $100k in inventory (and I figure that's double or triple what the number would have actually been) then how much do you think it will cost them on top of that to litigate this mess? They'll request full reimbursement from the Dept of Agriculture and be told "no" at which point they'll eat the loss because it makes no sense to do otherwise.

I mean, seriously, who are they going to sue? The chick with 4 kids that gets $1100/mo in disability?

They won't sue anyone, but I have no doubt they will write this off when they file their taxes.
 
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Anyone else feel there may be a correlation between how these people behave and their need to be assisted?
EBT is enabling, not assisting.

Assistance would look like an EBT value = to 20% of their pay check. This encourages the recipiant to work.
 
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They won't sue anyone, but I have no doubt they will write this off when they file their taxes.

Of course they will and they should just like anyone would.
 
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Well, if the bank makes an error saying you have more money than you do, and you manage to spend the overage - you're on the hook.

If the bank makes an error in your favor, and then refuses to do anything about it - it's their problem and you're not on the hook. Walmart knew there was a problem with EBT cards and refused to take measures to correct it. They can go **** themselves.
 
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This thread is like the proverbial **** that attracts flies. Amazing how many conservatives hit this thing within minutes of it going up to hammer the "takers".

Just like the unscrupulous people waiting to pounce on a glitch which lets them take advantage of the system, you all live for these kinds of opportunities. Don't you?
 
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If the bank makes an error in your favor, and then refuses to do anything about it - it's their problem and you're not on the hook. Walmart knew there was a problem with EBT cards and refused to take measures to correct it. They can go **** themselves.

There's a such a thing as self responsibility. Something none of those people can comprehend.

They knew they were doing wrong, but they didn't gove a ****.

They should have their benefits witheld for the next few months.
 
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This thread is like the proverbial **** that attracts flies. Amazing how many conservatives hit this thing within minutes of it going up to hammer the "takers".

Just like the unscrupulous people waiting to pounce on a glitch which lets them take advantage of the system, you all live for these kinds of opportunities. Don't you?

Its no different than the Libbos that swooped in to defend these clowns.
 
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From what little info I have, it seems the wal-mart manager onsite didn't know about the generally accepted procedures for such a situation, so they called corporate. Corporate apparently either didn't know about the same procedures (and didn't ask anyone who might) or didn't care, and just told them to let people buy whatever.

The people buying the stuff should have been a bit more reasonable about it, but that particular wal-mart should have known better as well.


Overall it seems like a ****up on the part of everyone, not least Xerox, or rather their child company ACS Inc.
 
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