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    Re: Food stamp glitch leads to Wal-Mart stampede

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Again - on what backward planet?

    Every electonic banking and/or credit/debit system in effect here in Canada functions instantaneously. Unless you have overdraft protection, you cannot purchase more on your debit card than you have cash in your account - and that is instantaneous. If you make a purchase on debit and then go to the ATM to make a withdrawal, your account balance available reflects the debit purchase you just made minutes ago.

    I cannot believe that the greatest economy in the world, the greatest company in the world, is so technology dense.
    I think it was an excellent PR move, even though they probably knew they were being scammed! They lost some money, and whether or not they are able to get any of it back is probably not important to them. Their alternative was to risk being called heartless greedy jerks who don't care about the poor...and you and I both know that that was probably next on the list! Don't forget that it was WalMart who was recently singled out by this administration on the minimum wage thing!

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    Re: Food stamp glitch leads to Wal-Mart stampede

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    I think it was an excellent PR move, even though they probably knew they were being scammed! They lost some money, and whether or not they are able to get any of it back is probably not important to them. Their alternative was to risk being called heartless greedy jerks who don't care about the poor...and you and I both know that that was probably next on the list! Don't forget that it was WalMart who was recently singled out by this administration on the minimum wage thing!
    That's true, EBT benefits are almost like a job perk there. No wonder.

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    Re: Food stamp glitch leads to Wal-Mart stampede

    Quote Originally Posted by vvx View Post
    That's true, EBT benefits are almost like a job perk there. No wonder.
    The computer glitsch was caused by Xerox, so it wasn't even WalMart's fault, although they were the ones who lost money. IMO, WalMart made the best of a bad situation by the way they handled it.

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    Re: Food stamp glitch leads to Wal-Mart stampede

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    that's because your bank has put a hold on those funds, which is not the same as fully authorizing and transfering them. if you look closely at most online banking systems there will be listed a "balance" and an "available balance". The available balance is what the bank has calculated is usable by you, minus what is tied up in various transactions waiting full authorization. Your balance are those combined
    Not at my bank - banks - but then, it's a well known fact that Canadian banks are far better run and managed than American banks.
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    Re: Food stamp glitch leads to Wal-Mart stampede

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    No, it was not authorized. That is the point. It isn't my fault that you do not understand that there is a difference between the store authorizing the purchase and the EBT authorizing the purchase.
    But, as I understand the issue that occurred, it wasn't that the purchases were not authorized, but that for some reason no limits were shown, and these limitless purchases were authorized by the EBT system. Thus, the whole bit about no limit...

    What I'm thinking happened here is:\

    1. Xerox/ACS Inc (I think that last was the child company mentioned in an article) screwed something up.
    2. A couple Wal-Mart stores had no idea what to do (which indicates either poor training, or simply managers who took CYA a bit too far) with authorized purchases that seemed far outside normal limits, so they called corporate, and corporate told them to let the purchases go through.
    3. Some individuals realized that with no limit and wal-mart letting it slide, they could go nuts, so they did. OR perhaps not that much thought went into all the choices, but who knows.
    4. This led to the "cart train" issue, wherein massively loaded shopping carts of food were abandoned when the limits returned 2 hours later (I think it was 2 hours, according to one article?)


    It seems obvious to me that several failures on multiple levels contributed to this issue - Xerox failed to provide proper EBT service, a couple Wal-Marts were poorly managed, and Wal-Mart corporate was no help (in stopping the chain of events). Then the last straw was some persons deciding that if the system was ****ed up it meant they could go crazy.


    Which might indicate a somewhat frightening level of trust we have that an electronic system will be faultless - assuming they believed that for some reason they suddenly were allowed to go nuts....rather than that the system was ****ed up.
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    Re: Food stamp glitch leads to Wal-Mart stampede

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    But, as I understand the issue that occurred, it wasn't that the purchases were not authorized, but that for some reason no limits were shown, and these limitless purchases were authorized by the EBT system. Thus, the whole bit about no limit...

    What I'm thinking happened here is:\

    1. Xerox/ACS Inc (I think that last was the child company mentioned in an article) screwed something up.
    2. A couple Wal-Mart stores had no idea what to do (which indicates either poor training, or simply managers who took CYA a bit too far) with authorized purchases that seemed far outside normal limits, so they called corporate, and corporate told them to let the purchases go through.
    3. Some individuals realized that with no limit and wal-mart letting it slide, they could go nuts, so they did. OR perhaps not that much thought went into all the choices, but who knows.
    4. This led to the "cart train" issue, wherein massively loaded shopping carts of food were abandoned when the limits returned 2 hours later (I think it was 2 hours, according to one article?)


    It seems obvious to me that several failures on multiple levels contributed to this issue - Xerox failed to provide proper EBT service, a couple Wal-Marts were poorly managed, and Wal-Mart corporate was no help (in stopping the chain of events). Then the last straw was some persons deciding that if the system was ****ed up it meant they could go crazy.


    Which might indicate a somewhat frightening level of trust we have that an electronic system will be faultless - assuming they believed that for some reason they suddenly were allowed to go nuts....rather than that the system was ****ed up.
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    Re: Food stamp glitch leads to Wal-Mart stampede

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    I bet every bodega in the hood is well stocked with ten gallon drums of sam's club mayo
    They didn't get out of the store with the food though. Thus the cart trains, or whatever.
    This article mentions the issue, along with mentioning (halfway through the article) that stores other than wal-mart had the issue...

    Edit: A few relevant bits:
    Shelves were cleared and aisles were clogged with carts after the food stamp system went offline. Walmart allowed people to continue shopping despite a malfunction that prevented the store from seeing EBT card balances. That's when dozens of people decided to go grocery shopping.


    Police were called to control the crowds, and some even compared it to Black Friday. When shoppers realized they could only buy $100 worth of food, they abandoned their carts....*snip*
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    Re: Food stamp glitch leads to Wal-Mart stampede[W:236]

    Quote Originally Posted by Un biased View Post
    Food stamp glitch leads to Wal-Mart stampede- MSN Money

    People abusing a system they new had limits the people who were practically stealing . Shame on you .
    It was People of Wal-Mart. What did you expect? LOL.
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    Re: Food stamp glitch leads to Wal-Mart stampede

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Not at my bank - banks - but then, it's a well known fact that Canadian banks are far better run and managed than American banks.
    I believe that is the case at Canadian banks as well, depending on your status with the bank. A proven record of not having checks bounced and the checks clear automatically. Especially if it is from direct deposit.

    I expect that most Canadians if they deposited a personal check into there account of $5000 they would have to wait a few days before being able to take that money out, (ie once the check has cleared)
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    Re: Food stamp glitch leads to Wal-Mart stampede

    Quote Originally Posted by Un biased View Post
    Are you sure they didn't just get one basket of food, then made copies of it?
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