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    Re: Food stamp glitch leads to Wal-Mart stampede

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    They look like their generosity was exploited/abused. It works.
    lol, no they don't

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    Re: Food stamp glitch leads to Wal-Mart stampede

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    You're not making sense. When the system is working properly, the cashier can reference the available balance. Hence it operates like a gift card and not your earlier comparison to a check or banking card. When the system went faulty, the cards were showing an unlimited balance. Walmart staff correctly recognized this as a failure in the system and contacted corporate.

    You claimed this justified walmart facilitating charges to these accounts because it was not their responsibility. I pointed out this was helping to facilitate the crime, because Walmart had working knowledge of the system, showed they were aware that it was not working properly. And in similar circumstances involving a bank, per your previous examples, would also be liable. Being that they tried to knowingly exploit a system error for personal benefit, just like the welfare moops.




    1) No, I keep pointing out walmart knew the system wasn't working properly, because anyone semi familier with the system knows EBT cards do not have an unlimited balance, and they contacted corporate about it.

    2) No, I was pointing out they have access to the information on the card, like any other gift card system and that they can easily reference it. This was in response to you claiming walmart had no access to such information and could not know there was such an error (also ignoring the manager contacted corporate)

    Go back and reread the discussion and familiarize yourself with the information available, as opposed to confusing yourself in an effort to justify the inherent contradictions on the point of personal responsibility and your various other positions here

    After that, I'll be happy to continue this
    No need - I'm not confused nor do I believe your contentions and as long as you refuse to move from those contentions, we really have nothing further to discuss on this matter.

    Thanks for the chat and take care - we'll see how it washes out in the next few weeks.
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    Re: Food stamp glitch leads to Wal-Mart stampede

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Now you're just making stuff up out of your ass.

    If the system wasn't accepting card payments, how did Walmart or anyone else find out that the cards had no balance limitations on them?

    Show me one piece of evidence you have that shows the Walmart stores were accepting the cards without any authorization through the system when processing a sale. I'll bet you can't.
    No, I'm not. I understand how that law was written. It isn't really that hard to figure out. I read enough of it. The store accepts the responsibility for any purchases that they don't know truly if they will be authorized because they have every opportunity to get clarification on it from the people running the system if there is any sort of ambiguity. In fact, the retailers can get authorized phones from the government to use just for that sole purpose of verifying EBT amounts and whether they will be authorized. It said it in that legal page I linked.
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    Re: Food stamp glitch leads to Wal-Mart stampede

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    No need - I'm not confused nor do I believe your contentions and as long as you refuse to move from those contentions, we really have nothing further to discuss on this matter.

    Thanks for the chat and take care - we'll see how it washes out in the next few weeks.
    No worries. Enjoy your day

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    Re: Food stamp glitch leads to Wal-Mart stampede

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    lol, no they don't
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    Re: Food stamp glitch leads to Wal-Mart stampede

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    That isn't authorization. It doesn't work that way. Legally, the retailer accepts on faith that what their system is showing is how much is in the account and that the EBT (government) will pay them back for that amount paid via the EBT/SNAP system. They do this because they have a deal with the government that says that they have access to their system for as much time as possible and that they can contact whoever needs to be contacted should the system mess up.

    In this case, they knew the system was messed up, and instead of contacting the government or the proper group (Xerox, apparently), the stores took it upon themselves to accept the risk of not being paid for those purchases via the system because that is how the system is set up. It was all there in black and white, you simply have to know how to understand what is being said in that which I posted.
    You can't be serious. Do you live in a cave?

    Do you honestly think that Walmart or any other business accepts a card that doesn't automatically transfer funds into their accounts at the time of purchase and the business has to, at a later time, contact the government for payment?

    If this is the system the greatest country in the world had devised, God help all of you because you're run by simpletons and idiots.

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    Re: Food stamp glitch leads to Wal-Mart stampede

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    Are they fighting it? I figured they would, but hadn't kept up with whether they actually had yet.
    These kind of legal matters always take a long time. When they announce a settlement, we'll be lucky to remember what it was for.

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    Re: Food stamp glitch leads to Wal-Mart stampede

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    You can't be serious. Do you live in a cave?

    Do you honestly think that Walmart or any other business accepts a card that doesn't automatically transfer funds into their accounts at the time of purchase and the business has to, at a later time, contact the government for payment?

    If this is the system the greatest country in the world had devised, God help all of you because you're run by simpletons and idiots.
    Yes. In fact, these ones did it just a few days ago. They didn't get that money, they couldn't. It hadn't been authorized yet.
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    Re: Food stamp glitch leads to Wal-Mart stampede

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    No, I'm not. I understand how that law was written. It isn't really that hard to figure out. I read enough of it. The store accepts the responsibility for any purchases that they don't know truly if they will be authorized because they have every opportunity to get clarification on it from the people running the system if there is any sort of ambiguity. In fact, the retailers can get authorized phones from the government to use just for that sole purpose of verifying EBT amounts and whether they will be authorized. It said it in that legal page I linked.
    that's how it works on most any card system. A charge is submitted to the entity managing the funds for the system by the retailer. the retailer later reimburses them.


    That is why and how you can dispute something on your credit card. Walmart doesn't magically reach nto an account and take money out

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    Re: Food stamp glitch leads to Wal-Mart stampede

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    that's how it works on most any card system. A charge is submitted to the entity managing the funds for the system by the retailer. the retailer later reimburses them.


    That is why and how you can dispute something on your credit card. Walmart doesn't magically reach nto an account and take money out
    Exactly. And it is going to be even more difficult to do so when the system that works these things is down, as the EBT system was on that day.
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