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    Re: Food stamp glitch leads to Wal-Mart stampede

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    it may be nothing, but the fact they are trying to challenge it speaks to the fact they are not happy about it, and their general conduct surrounding the situation has hardly painted them in a positive light. The most that would be accomplished by eating the loss is not making them look any worse
    On the contrary, by challenging it they keep it in the news and make themselves look better. The longer the better.
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    Re: Food stamp glitch leads to Wal-Mart stampede

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    it may be nothing, but the fact they are trying to challenge it speaks to the fact they are not happy about it, and their general conduct surrounding the situation has hardly painted them in a positive light. The most that would be accomplished by eating the loss is not making them look any worse
    Are they fighting it? I figured they would, but hadn't kept up with whether they actually had yet.
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    Re: Food stamp glitch leads to Wal-Mart stampede

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    Am I wrong?

    Authorization was approved, wasn't it?

    Thanks for proving my point.
    No, it was not authorized. That is the point. It isn't my fault that you do not understand that there is a difference between the store authorizing the purchase and the EBT authorizing the purchase.
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    Re: Food stamp glitch leads to Wal-Mart stampede

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Of course a "Louisiana official" is going to cover their ass and say it's all Walmart's fault. I'd fall flat on the floor if a government stooge ever took responsibility for anything.

    Let's see what a court says, if it ever gets there.
    I posted the federal law and gave exactly where it says that retailers that do such things are liable for the purchase.
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    Re: Food stamp glitch leads to Wal-Mart stampede

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    So let's recap.

    You have just stated that yes, you've been telling me for two days, that Walmart had access to available balances through the system and yet the whole problem seems to be that the system wasn't registering/recognizing available balances and were, in effect, unlimited. So it's your contention that Walmart had more knowledge related to the EBT system than the company contracted by the government to manage the system, correct? Again, news to me and I'd like you to identify the source you're relying upon to make that contention.
    You're not making sense. When the system is working properly, the cashier can reference the available balance. Hence it operates like a gift card and not your earlier comparison to a check or banking card. When the system went faulty, the cards were showing an unlimited balance. Walmart staff correctly recognized this as a failure in the system and contacted corporate.

    You claimed this justified walmart facilitating charges to these accounts because it was not their responsibility. I pointed out this was helping to facilitate the crime, because Walmart had working knowledge of the system, showed they were aware that it was not working properly. And in similar circumstances involving a bank, per your previous examples, would also be liable. Being that they tried to knowingly exploit a system error for personal benefit, just like the welfare moops.


    You deny that the system was working sufficiently that Walmart was able to access the system with the EBT cards and the system was authorizing the purchase but it wasn't providing an available balance before or after the purchase, correct?
    1) No, I keep pointing out walmart knew the system wasn't working properly, because anyone semi familier with the system knows EBT cards do not have an unlimited balance, and they contacted corporate about it.

    2) No, I was pointing out they have access to the information on the card, like any other gift card system and that they can easily reference it. This was in response to you claiming walmart had no access to such information and could not know there was such an error (also ignoring the manager contacted corporate)

    Go back and reread the discussion and familiarize yourself with the information available, as opposed to confusing yourself in an effort to justify the inherent contradictions on the point of personal responsibility and your various other positions here

    After that, I'll be happy to continue this

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    Re: Food stamp glitch leads to Wal-Mart stampede

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    On the contrary, by challenging it they keep it in the news and make themselves look better. The longer the better.
    you said it would look charitable. people don't look charitable when they dispute something like this

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    Re: Food stamp glitch leads to Wal-Mart stampede

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I posted the federal law and gave exactly where it says that retailers that do such things are liable for the purchase.
    Wrong.
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    Re: Food stamp glitch leads to Wal-Mart stampede

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    How is that relevant since from my understanding of what happened, the cards were receiving authorization electronically through the system without identifying an available balance. Therefore, Walmart was receiving authorization from the system.
    That isn't authorization. It doesn't work that way. Legally, the retailer accepts on faith that what their system is showing is how much is in the account and that the EBT (government) will pay them back for that amount paid via the EBT/SNAP system. They do this because they have a deal with the government that says that they have access to their system for as much time as possible and that they can contact whoever needs to be contacted should the system mess up.

    In this case, they knew the system was messed up, and instead of contacting the government or the proper group (Xerox, apparently), the stores took it upon themselves to accept the risk of not being paid for those purchases via the system because that is how the system is set up. It was all there in black and white, you simply have to know how to understand what is being said in that which I posted.
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    Re: Food stamp glitch leads to Wal-Mart stampede

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    you said it would look charitable. people don't look charitable when they dispute something like this
    They look like their generosity was exploited/abused. It works.
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    Re: Food stamp glitch leads to Wal-Mart stampede

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Wrong.
    Not wrong. Right there in black and white. They accepted responsibility for the sales knowing that the system was faulty. If challenged, this is not going to be a win for WalMart.
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