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    Re: Food stamp glitch leads to Wal-Mart stampede

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    No, it wasn't. Not by the EBT system. The government can show that WalMart, these WalMarts in particular knew that there was a problem with the EBT system itself and that this problem very likely would cause problems that would end up with incorrect amounts on the EBT cards being authorized. The purchases themselves do not get truly authorized til later. And unless the retailer could show that the system was faulty in a way that they couldn't identify (which we know is not the case here) then they have every right to hold the retailer (in this case these two WalMarts) responsible for those transactions.
    It may be able to show that, but a judge will care about the black and white of the contract.

    You cherry picked that out of the full.

    Prior to delivery or upon returning to the store, the retailer shall telephone the EBT central computer or hotline number to log the transaction and obtain an authorization number. If authorization cannot be obtained before or at the time of purchase, the retailer assumes the risk for sufficient benefits being available in the household's account. Any alternate method cannot be burdensome on either the household or the retailer, and it must include acceptable privacy and security features. Such systems shall only be available to retailers that cannot be equipped with a POS terminal at the time of sale.
    This was all done in accordance to this law.

    Again, thanks for proving my point.

    A couple other things you may wish to consider...

    274.12(f)(3) Transaction receipts. Households shall be provided printed receipts at the time of transaction. At a minimum this information shall:
    (i) State the date, merchant's name and location, transaction type, transaction amount and remaining balance for the food stamp account;

    274.12(h)(1) System processing speeds. (i) For leased line systems, 98 percent of EBT transactions shall be processed within 10 seconds or less and all EBT transactions shall be processed within 15 seconds.
    Seems to me that Walmart can claim they were following the set law. If they are only allowed to delay 2% of the transactions, what is your solution?

    Now...

    Don't get me wrong. I agree Walmart should have handled this differently, and that they abused the written law/contract. However, I do not see how Walmart will lose a dime over this.

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    Re: Food stamp glitch leads to Wal-Mart stampede

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    A little more info.

    7 CFR 274.12 - Electronic Benefit Transfer issuance system approval standards. | Code of Federal Regulations | LII / Legal Information Institute

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    under this section

    (g) Retailer participation. (1); under the first subsection here, (i), near the bottom of the paragraph.
    How is that relevant since from my understanding of what happened, the cards were receiving authorization electronically through the system without identifying an available balance. Therefore, Walmart was receiving authorization from the system.
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    Re: Food stamp glitch leads to Wal-Mart stampede

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    How is that relevant since from my understanding of what happened, the cards were receiving authorization electronically through the system without identifying an available balance. Therefore, Walmart was receiving authorization from the system.
    LOL...

    Hey... You stole my point!

    LOL...

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    Re: Food stamp glitch leads to Wal-Mart stampede

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    No, it wasn't. Not by the EBT system. The government can show that WalMart, these WalMarts in particular knew that there was a problem with the EBT system itself and that this problem very likely would cause problems that would end up with incorrect amounts on the EBT cards being authorized. The purchases themselves do not get truly authorized til later. And unless the retailer could show that the system was faulty in a way that they couldn't identify (which we know is not the case here) then they have every right to hold the retailer (in this case these two WalMarts) responsible for those transactions.
    Now you're just making stuff up out of your ass.

    If the system wasn't accepting card payments, how did Walmart or anyone else find out that the cards had no balance limitations on them?

    Show me one piece of evidence you have that shows the Walmart stores were accepting the cards without any authorization through the system when processing a sale. I'll bet you can't.
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    Re: Walmart shelves in Springhill, Mansfield, cleared in EBT glitch

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    There is no "fair" share of taxes, get the **** over it. Anyone who doesn't try to minimize their tax burden is an idiot.
    Well maybe you're on to something here. If the EBT is down at a store and the store says have a "free for all" and people do not take advantage over it, I guess they're idiots.
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    Re: Food stamp glitch leads to Wal-Mart stampede

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    LOL...

    Hey... You stole my point!

    LOL...
    I'm slow - you were holding the fort while I was gone.
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    Re: Food stamp glitch leads to Wal-Mart stampede

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Now you're just making stuff up out of your ass.

    If the system wasn't accepting card payments, how did Walmart or anyone else find out that the cards had no balance limitations on them?

    Show me one piece of evidence you have that shows the Walmart stores were accepting the cards without any authorization through the system when processing a sale. I'll bet you can't.
    Bingo. Center mass hit. Good afternoon, CJ.
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    Re: Food stamp glitch leads to Wal-Mart stampede

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Bingo. Center mass hit. Good afternoon, CJ.
    Good afternoon 2M - hope all is well with you. You seem to be quite a celebrity these days - congrats for getting on some people's nerves!! Just sorry Lady P. got hit in the crossfire.
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    Re: Walmart shelves in Springhill, Mansfield, cleared in EBT glitch

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    Well maybe you're on to something here. If the EBT is down at a store and the store says have a "free for all" and people do not take advantage over it, I guess they're idiots.
    Oh yeah, that's exactly the same thing.
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    Re: Food stamp glitch leads to Wal-Mart stampede

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Good afternoon 2M - hope all is well with you. You seem to be quite a celebrity these days - congrats for getting on some people's nerves!! Just sorry Lady P. got hit in the crossfire.
    I've made the right enemies.
    The fact that they took shots at Polgara speaks volumes about their lack of class.
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