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    Re: Food stamp glitch leads to Wal-Mart stampede

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    And this result is better?
    No. It isn't. It's a result of that attitude.

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    Re: Food stamp glitch leads to Wal-Mart stampede

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    1. I do know the answer to that
    I think we both know walmart would avoid even the possibility of liability in such circumstances by disabling the system, once a system wide error was obvious and known

    Why should the EBT cheats be any different? Are we going to simply excuse crime by the poor now and affix blame on a business that accepted the honesty of the customer?
    1) I doubt visa would be willing to deal with a 100 individuals who might pay up eventually when they could pursue litigation against walmart for purposely allowing the situation, that they knew was in error, to continue

    2) why do you keep pretending I haven't already addressed this point by highlighting that I am clearly *not* interested in excusing anyone, nor letting them off the hook? My answer was already given, long before you asked for it and will not change with endless repetitions


    They honored the cards because that's their business. Perhaps you'd prefer that WalMart no longer accept the cards (bad for their business but also bad for the customer).
    1) it's to their benefit accepting the cards

    2) don't have an ebt card so don't care


    3. You're excusing everyone who purchased goods on their cards
    1) how am I excusing something when i am calling them to be held accountable for it?

    2) yes, knowingly facilitating the fraud for their own benefit makes them just as responsible

    If I go to the bank and deposit a check I know is NSF and take back cash is the bank equally or in any way culpable in my commission of a crime?
    Yes, if a bank knowingly accepts stolen checks for their own benefit they are just as guilty as you

    4. You suggesting that WalMart participated in a conspiracy to defraud the government would be libelous in most jurisdictions.
    1) irrelevant to the discussion

    2) you don't understand libel law

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    Re: Food stamp glitch leads to Wal-Mart stampede

    I would just add that I agree in some regard that WalMart is to be held responsible due to the fact that ANY store manager knows when traffic at his store is up, way up. That call made to corporate was most likely something like this. "Hey Jimmy here assistant manager of WalMart LA, and we have a customer that is not showing any limits on her EBT card, but she has two baskets of groceries, what shall we do?" "Ok, well let them make the purchase, take care of the customer and we'll try and figure out what is going on" - "we'll get back to you but in the meantime honor the sales".

    I'm curious what happened in the other 17 states where this occurred? Was this rampant theft isolated to LA? Are there more details here?

    By the way, I say WM is responsible, but I am NOT excusing the behavior of the community at large. It was theft and there's no way to spin it.


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    Re: Food stamp glitch leads to Wal-Mart stampede

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    I would just add that I agree in some regard that WalMart is to be held responsible due to the fact that ANY store manager knows when traffic at his store is up, way up. That call made to corporate was most likely something like this. "Hey Jimmy here assistant manager of WalMart LA, and we have a customer that is not showing any limits on her EBT card, but she has two baskets of groceries, what shall we do?" "Ok, well let them make the purchase, take care of the customer and we'll try and figure out what is going on" - "we'll get back to you but in the meantime honor the sales".
    If it was a limited event this would be an understandable position, but they were litterally clearing out the store, and the issue involved numerous people. It's also hard to swallow that a walmart manager, or any cashier for that matter, would not be aware EBT cards have limits.

    And the fact the manager felt the need to contact corporate speaks to the fact the severity of the issue was known

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    Re: Food stamp glitch leads to Wal-Mart stampede

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    If it was a limited event this would be an understandable position, but they were litterally clearing out the store, and the issue involved numerous people. It's also hard to swallow that a walmart manager, or any cashier for that matter, would not be aware EBT cards have limits.

    And the fact the manager felt the need to contact corporate speaks to the fact the severity of the issue was known
    I agree with you. Like I said, but after re-reading what I wrote, I meant to finish my first sentence by also saying that if traffic is up, way up in this case, ANY manager would know it, and suspect something was up. Knowing that EBT limits were not working, and thinking they could simply rely on the word of some pencil pusher at Corporate would be a very poor management approach to the resolution of said occurrence. In that vein, yes WM is responsible, and so are the criminals that gamed the system.


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    Re: Food stamp glitch leads to Wal-Mart stampede

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    I agree with you. Like I said, but after re-reading what I wrote, I meant to finish my first sentence by also saying that if traffic is up, way up in this case, ANY manager would know it, and suspect something was up. Knowing that EBT limits were not working, and thinking they could simply rely on the word of some pencil pusher at Corporate would be a very poor management approach to the resolution of said occurrence. In that vein, yes WM is responsible, and so are the criminals that gamed the system.


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    seems we're in the minority here, tim. The vast majority seems to have a need to cast oneside inexplicably as victims, and the other as unforgivable fiends

    And I really don't understand why

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    Re: Food stamp glitch leads to Wal-Mart stampede

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    I already explained to you one reason why this happens. You can be obese and malnourished at the same time. A lot of poor people in America are.
    No its called Overnutrition

    In the United States, nutritional deficiencies have generally been replaced by dietary imbalances or excesses associated with many of the leading causes of death and disability. Overnutrition results from eating too much, eating too many of the wrong things, not exercising enough, or taking too many vitamins or other dietary replacements.

    Risk of overnutrition is also increased by being more than 20% overweight, consuming a diet high in fat and salt, and taking high doses of:

    •Nicotinic acid (niacin) to lower elevated cholesterol levels
    •Vitamin B6 to relieve premenstrual syndrome
    •Vitamin A to clear up skin problems
    •Iron or other trace minerals not prescribed by a doctor.

    Nutritional disorders can affect any system in the body and the senses of sight, taste, and smell. They may also produce anxiety, changes in mood, and other psychiatric symptoms. Malnutrition begins with changes in nutrient levels in blood and tissues. Alterations in enzyme levels, tissue abnormalities, and organ malfunction may be followed by illness and death.

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    Re: Food stamp glitch leads to Wal-Mart stampede

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Not practically stealing. It IS stealing. Their benefits should be docked 25% each month until the overages are returned.
    I thought abuses to the system lead to possible criminal actions and a 3 years suspension of benefits.

    Did that change?

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    Re: Food stamp glitch leads to Wal-Mart stampede

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    they clearly knew there was an issue with the EBT system since 1) they were showing no limits and EBT cards carry limits, and 2) the issue was pursued at corporate




    I agree, but walmart assumed that the govt would cover those items and purposely helped facilitate that fraud for their own personal gain. Clearly both parties are at fault and should be held accountable
    This is new to me, please show me where it's been proven that Walmart did this.
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