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    Re: Food stamp glitch leads to Wal-Mart stampede

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Which ones?
    other walmarts, for one

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    Re: Food stamp glitch leads to Wal-Mart stampede

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    1) why would I feel a need to lie to you? I don't care what you think

    2) You can find numerous posts in this very thread where I clearly blame the moops and walmart. So if you could manage some higher brain function for a moment, you could tease out that your premise makes no sense

    3) stop assuming people are like you and can't look at things honestly and with intelligence
    As usual, personal attacks are all you have. Just can't resist! Can you?
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    Re: Food stamp glitch leads to Wal-Mart stampede

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    First of all, show me this happens "constantly." If you can do that, answer me this: without demand, there's no supply, right? And what would the demand be for here?
    Proof positive that excess supply creates demand.

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    Re: Food stamp glitch leads to Wal-Mart stampede

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    WalMart is as guilty as the people.
    "Lynd explained the cards weren't showing limits and they called corporate Wal-Mart, whose spokesman said to let the people use the cards anyway."
    I see, so WalMart is supposed to be like the government now and know every customer's individual financial status when they walk up to a checkout counter? Is that it? I guess you think it's okay too when a guy who goes into the bank and notices that he suddenly has $100,000 in his account when he knows he should only have $100 and he goes about withdrawing $5,000 and racking up debit purchases, right? The big bad corporation made him become a criminal, right?

    And I'll bet you're just the type of person who'd be screaming about WalMart being prejudicial, beating down the poor welfare mom, if the story had been that WalMart refused to honor purchases from a card that was accepting them even if common sense told you that the card limits had a technical/clerical problem, right?

    The problem with America today and much of western society is that too many people have "Obama syndrome" - nothing's their fault, somebody else was doing it too, or someone else started it, or he didn't know it was a problem, yada yada yada.

    Hold people responsible for their crimes and their actions - anyone who blatantly overspent on their cards knew they were scamming the system and didn't care - same as the people looting stores and homes during Katrina and other weather emergencies. They should be forced to pay restitution, if it takes a lifetime, and they should be subject to jail time if their crime was particularly egregious.

    You need to stop making excuses for bad behaviour.
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    Re: Food stamp glitch leads to Wal-Mart stampede

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    As usual, personal attacks are all you have. Just can't resist! Can you?
    no, I clearly debunk your logic, as well. See points 1 and 2

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    Re: Food stamp glitch leads to Wal-Mart stampede

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I see, so WalMart is supposed to be like the government now and know every customer's individual financial status when they walk up to a checkout counter?
    they clearly knew there was an issue with the EBT system since 1) they were showing no limits and EBT cards carry limits, and 2) the issue was pursued at corporate


    Hold people responsible for their crimes and their actions - anyone who blatantly overspent on their cards knew they were scamming the system and didn't care
    I agree, but walmart assumed that the govt would cover those items and purposely helped facilitate that fraud for their own personal gain. Clearly both parties are at fault and should be held accountable

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    Re: Food stamp glitch leads to Wal-Mart stampede

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    they clearly knew there was an issue with the EBT system since 1) they were showing no limits and EBT cards carry limits, and 2) the issue was pursued at corporate




    I agree, but walmart assumed that the govt would cover those items and purposely helped facilitate that fraud for their own personal gain. Clearly both parties are at fault and should be held accountable
    1. WalMart doesn't run the system, the government does - if there's a problem with the system, the owner/operator of the system is responsible for monitoring the system and closing it down if problems arise. Do you think VISA has such problems with their credit card system? Do you think they don't know when someone is trying to spend more than their limit allows? I don't know the details related to how this glitch was discovered or how WalMart attempted to notify the government agency in control, but I can understand WalMart saying that they will accept any method of payment that is accepted at source. To do otherwise is to set themselves up for lawsuits and other actions. For all WalMart knows, Obama may have decided in his capacity as King to eliminate all EBT spending limits during the government shutdown.

    2. To think a $trillion corporation like WalMart pursues fraudulent sales as a means of "personal gain" is just nonsense designed to excuse the real criminals in the matter, those who knowingly overspent what they knew was their spending limit. I'll bet you those with the cards who got more than they should have were spreading the news around the neighborhood that everyone could get free stuff if they hurried and the immoral, criminal elements among them rushed to the store to get what they could in an attempt at "legal looting".

    3. An easy way for WalMart to be held accountable, is for those who stole from the government to return the goods and have them refunded under the card they were fraudulently purchased under. You'll have a hard time convincing any honest person that WalMart conspired with criminals to purposely defraud the government.
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    Re: Food stamp glitch leads to Wal-Mart stampede

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    1. WalMart doesn't run the system, the government does - if there's a problem with the system, the owner/operator of the system is responsible for monitoring the system and closing it down if problems arise.
    are you saying if a similar issue arose with their bank card system they would not shut it down to simply avoid the possibility of not getting paid for those transactions? I think we both know the answer to that


    2. To think a $trillion corporation like WalMart pursues fraudulent sales as a means of "personal gain" is just nonsense designed to excuse the real criminals in the matter, those who knowingly overspent what they knew was their spending limit.
    1) The reasons behind why they did it matter little to the fact that they did it.

    2) how am I excusing anyone when I think they should be held accountable, as well?

    You'll have a hard time convincing any honest person that WalMart conspired with criminals to purposely defraud the government.
    Yet that is exactly what we have, absent the appeal to popularity, or not

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    Re: Food stamp glitch leads to Wal-Mart stampede

    I don't have time to read all this. Does anyone know if they have the ability to trace these people? These ppl should have their benefits stripped!

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    Re: Food stamp glitch leads to Wal-Mart stampede

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    are you saying if a similar issue arose with their bank card system they would not shut it down to simply avoid the possibility of not getting paid for those transactions? I think we both know the answer to that




    1) The reasons behind why they did it matter little to the fact that they did it.

    2) how am I excusing anyone when I think they should be held accountable, as well?



    Yet that is exactly what we have, absent the appeal to popularity, or not
    1. I do know the answer to that - VISA would enforce their cardholder agreement and insist on payment for the purchases made by the holder of the card - they would have no legal means to not pay the company/business that honored the card. If the cardholder didn't want to pay for the purchases, they could return them to the store and have refunds credited to their account. Any purchases not refundable would be the sole responsibility of the cardholder for payment. Why should the EBT cheats be any different? Are we going to simply excuse crime by the poor now and affix blame on a business that accepted the honesty of the customer?

    2. They honored the cards because that's their business. Perhaps you'd prefer that WalMart no longer accept the cards (bad for their business but also bad for the customer). As I said previously, how is Walmart supposed to know how much a person has remaining on their EBT card balance if the system doesn't tell them? Are they supposed to deny purchase of some items, perhaps baby food or medicine, or something else vital to the person and then suffer the outrage from the usual quarters claiming WalMart is badly treating the poor?

    3. You're excusing everyone who purchased goods on their cards when they knew they didn't have balance available by suggesting that WalMart is equally or in any way culpable. If I go to the bank and deposit a check I know is NSF and take back cash is the bank equally or in any way culpable in my commission of a crime?

    4. You suggesting that WalMart participated in a conspiracy to defraud the government would be libelous in most jurisdictions.
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