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    Re: Food stamp glitch leads to Wal-Mart stampede

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    You tell us. With statistics.
    How many would you estimate?

    My estimate would be 0

    This trash is completely dependent upon The Government (taxpayers) to live. It's a National disgrace.

    The only politicians they vote for are the ones who give them Food Stamps and Obamaphones

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    Re: Food stamp glitch leads to Wal-Mart stampede

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    How many would you estimate? My estimate would be 0.
    Ah, the internet. Where the hyperpartisan are exposed for the fringe that they are:

    Democrats Face Ideological Split Over Wal-Mart | Pew Research Center



    About three-quarters of liberal Democrats (74%) said they had shopped at a Wal-Mart in the past year, but just 28% reported shopping there regularly. That compares with 45% of conservative and moderate Democrats and similar percentages in other political groups.
    So, out of Democrats/Liberal voters, ~35 shop there regularly and out of Conservatives/Lib. Conservatives ~45% shop there regularly. Showing your "estimates" to be wrong.

    Now, for the icing on the cake:

    RealClearPolitics - Articles - Revenge of the Wal-Mart Voters

    Zogby finds that while 85 percent of frequent Wal-Mart shoppers voted for President Bush's reelection in 2004 (and 88 percent of people who never shop there voted for Sen. John Kerry), Wal-Mart voters have turned on the president dramatically. In a poll taken earlier this month, they gave Bush a 35 percent approval rating -- compared to a 45 percent positive rating from born-again Christians, 49 percent from NASCAR fans, and 54 percent from self-identified conservatives.
    ... So... 85% of a constituency (Wal-Mart shoppers) voted Republican JUST 8 years ago. What percentage do you think are still Republicans today?
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    Re: Food stamp glitch leads to Wal-Mart stampede

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Ah, the internet. Where the hyperpartisan are exposed for the fringe that they are:

    Democrats Face Ideological Split Over Wal-Mart | Pew Research Center





    So, out of Democrats/Liberal voters, ~35 shop there regularly and out of Conservatives/Lib. Conservatives ~45% shop there regularly. Showing your "estimates" to be wrong.
    I didn't ask you how many people shop at Wal-Mart. You're trying to setup a false premise and your math sucks. Par for the course.

    Not everyone that shops at Wal-Mart pays for their purchase with an EBT card

    Did you watch the video? How many non Obama voters do you think knowingly filled up their shopping carts and went on spending sprees at taxpayer expense?

    My estimate is 0

    What's yours

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    Re: Food stamp glitch leads to Wal-Mart stampede

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    I didn't ask you how many people shop at Wal-Mart.
    Correct, you asked how many of those shoppers vote Republican. I showed you a link which showed you that 85% of Wal-Mart shoppers are Republican voters. Here are the numbers again:

    RealClearPolitics - Articles - Revenge of the Wal-Mart Voters

    Zogby finds that while 85 percent of frequent Wal-Mart shoppers voted for President Bush's reelection in 2004 (and 88 percent of people who never shop there voted for Sen. John Kerry), Wal-Mart voters have turned on the president dramatically. In a poll taken earlier this month, they gave Bush a 35 percent approval rating -- compared to a 45 percent positive rating from born-again Christians, 49 percent from NASCAR fans, and 54 percent from self-identified conservatives.
    Focus like a laser beam - this part is tricky:

    12 million on welfare.
    996K in Louisiana.
    50%+ are GOP

    Now, 85% of regular Wal-Mart shoppers being Republican vs 996K in Louisiana being on welfare. Anyway you slice it, that's a little over half of the people that showed up at that mall with EBT cards being possible Republicans.

    Proving that your estimate for '0' is statistically impossible. Even if only 200 people showed up, at a MINIMUM that would leave a possibility of 50 EBT shoppers being card carrying Republicans. You think this is a game?

    Now let's just say that we go ONLY by the statistics of welfare recipients. Granted, 60% of welfare recipients are Democrat. However, that means that out of 100 shoppers in that store 40 are possible EBT carrying Republicans. Seriously, your assertion that 0% of the people in that store using EBT cards are Republicans is just not possible due to the basic laws of probability.
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    Re: Food stamp glitch leads to Wal-Mart stampede

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Correct, you asked how many of those shoppers vote Republican. I showed you a link which showed you that 85% of Wal-Mart shoppers are Republican voters. Here are the numbers again:

    RealClearPolitics - Articles - Revenge of the Wal-Mart Voters



    Now focus like a laser beam:

    12 million on welfare.
    996K in Louisiana.
    50%+ are GOP

    Now, let's just focus on 85% of regular Wal-Mart shoppers being Republican vs 996K in Louisiana being on welfare. Anyway you slice it, that's way over half of the people that showed up at that mall with EBT cards being Republicans. Proving that your estimate for '0' is statistically impossible. Even if only 200 people showed up, at a MINIMUM that would be over 50 EBT shoppers being card carrying Republicans. Do you understand how numbers work yo?
    How long did it take you to google all that? This is hilarious.

    You're not grasping it. Did you watch the video? Here is the video:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CV4M9m0d1F4

    My comment has to do with the people in the video. Not everyone that shops at Wal-Mart. You're just not very bright. I'm sorry, not trying to be mean, but you're trying too hard and wasting all your time with some fail math.

    Here, let me help you a bit. Focus like a laser beam. Stay with me now.

    This incident happened in 2 cities located in one state. So if you're going to go through all this trouble you might want to focus on the demographics of the 2 cities in question

    Just sayin

    Anyways have a nice night

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    Re: Food stamp glitch leads to Wal-Mart stampede

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Actually, it can't. The only entity that can pay taxes are people. Nothing else has the capability to pull it off. Once you start treating something as a person you shouldn't be surprised that are in turn seen as one.
    Can a corporation be executed for murder like a person can?

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    Re: Food stamp glitch leads to Wal-Mart stampede

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    How long did it take you to google all that? This is hilarious.
    19 minutes. Only about twice as long as it took you to basically tuck tail and run without a single comprehensible reply.

    You're not grasping it. Did you watch the video? Here is the video:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CV4M9m0d1F4

    My comment has to do with the people in the video.
    Ah, a liar as well - I'm sure your comment had to do with a video you JUST posted in this thread. Bronson, I have always wondered. When you're losing a debate, do you always resort to lying?
    Not everyone that shops at Wal-Mart.
    Correct, you inquired about the EBT shoppers. Which I responded.

    You're just not very bright. I'm sorry, not trying to be mean, but you're trying too hard and wasting all your time with some fail math.
    Lolz:

    Probability - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Here, let me help you a bit. Focus like a laser beam. Stay with me now.

    This incident happened in 2 cities located in one state. So if you're going to go through all this trouble you might want to focus on the demographics of the 2 cities in question

    Just sayin

    Anyways have a nice night
    Quit sayin' - we've established your forte is using the words "socialist" and "fascist" ad nauseum and until we start playing a drinking game. Now, would you like some help moving goalposts? Or what?
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    Re: Food stamp glitch leads to Wal-Mart stampede

    There is a reality that the republicans are correct on. If you give people something then many will take it even if they do not deserve it. I totally agree with that reality and even though a few people might not take the extra, if you leave a hole people will. It is not just the poor which reps need to recognize. It works that way for the rich also. If we hand them money with no strings attached and no regulations they will take that money and do the wrong thing with it. This is why I have absolutely no problems with regulations on things like welfare and on things like corporations. You do not leave it up to the honor system, and you do not expect people will do the right thing. It is a mistake.

    What happened here is bad, but i do not blame the poor. Yes, they should have stayed at home, and if you can catch them I am all for punishing them for stealing. We have to look at the system that screwed up and fix that system. That means a few things need to happen. First we cannot have the poison pill of a shoestring budget operating the administration of our welfare system. If we want the right people to get the assistance and to have motivation for them to get off the system we need to pay for administration and evaluation, and we also need to recognize that money needs to be properly spent and that if we just throw money at it with no direction we will only get more abuse.

    I am for more low end employees who approve and audit the welfare system. I am not for high paid administrators who will take their paychecks and give nothing back. I think that the grunts in the system need to have more help sop that they can actually do the job instead of having so much work they just have to let abuses go. This will require more government employees and these employees should be paid a living wage for their services and we should hire from the welfare ranks. We should say here is a 28-30 k job opening who will be given to local welfare recipients and they will come off of welfare. Their job will be a clerk at the office who processes applications, audits them, answers questions, and does general clerk stuff./ Those that do good would advance to an adminstrative position where they work on more investigations of the methods and applicants that are used, and managing the people below them. This will take more funding, but in the end we will root out abuses of the system, and we will pull people into employment and out of the system and put them into working society which consumes and drives the economy. Yes, we will have to have some oversite people who's sole purpose is to investigate for fraud and corruption.

    Another thing we need to do is to start employing new technology more and limiting cash outputs. No more cash benefits. We limit food benefits and other benefits to the exact items we want to give people. No more doritos or lobster with food stamps. No more being able to gamble with cash you got from TANF. You can purchase certain non brand name foods with food stamps. We will limit you from buying junk food or soda. When you get TANF you will have some discretionary spending on food and clothing, but you will be limited in where you can purchase them and how many you can purchase. You will not be able to use it in macy's or sachs. We will allow you to use TANF in thrift stores, Walmarts like stores, and low end places like a kohls or other store on non-brand name items that you can use. You can buy cleaning supplies, and you can buy things like paper and pencils or school and office supplies. You can get 4 pairs of shoes. Sneakers, dress shoes, work shoes, and an extra pair. None of those will be worth over 50 dollars. We will not approve brand name air jordans for purchase with the funds. We can go along and set these limitations and with modern POS systems we can regulate purchases. There may still be some abuse, but we will make it as hard as possible to do it, and when we catch people who assist with abuses we will charge them with a crime and punish them.

    In order to make this work we will need to invest in a better infrastructure for our federal government systems and make sure it is up and running as much as possible. That means we need to have people paid for to be on top of it 24 hours a day and those people should be employed by the US government and not some contracting firm getting kickbacks. Tghis is a permanent system which needs experience trained people to operate it and that comes from administering the employees directly. Yes, that means we will have to make the systems better and upgrade them when we get better technology to keep them efficiently fighting abuses.

    I am even for saying the government should test welfare recipients for recreational drugs even if they are legal. Because that would be something permanent the government should have facilities available that we maintain to do those tests. We should not be giving that contract to to the govornor's cousing jethro who happens to run a shady drug testing scam and wants public money funneling in. We can employ the people and we can have them ready to do the testing as we need it because we are always going to have poor people applying and using these systems.

    We need to start cracking down on corruption and kickbacks. We will save money on spending if we make the system streamlined and well administered. This is not something for friends of the electorate to get cushy high paying jobs where they get paid over 100k a year to shake hands and kiss ass. We should pay administrators good, but not overpay them. We should make sure administration at the high levels is not redundant. We should seek competition for any private contracts that we have to have. We should have people who's only job is to come in and root out inefficiency and abuse and who work in a transparent way with the people of this country and who respect and protect whistleblowers. These people should be hated by those who they overlook. Their job is to investigate and stick their noses into everything to find abuse. They should be professional and respectful, but there should be no question they are always watching and they are not going to overlook something because of friendship or affiliation.

    When we get serious about doing this and stop cutting our own hamstrings while trying to stop abuses we will find we are much better off with these programs. Yes, I do see why people hate these programs, but these programs do come from a good place and can be done well. We can use our excess money that we piss away on overpriced contracts and do nothing administrators to offset the costs of doing it right. Knowing how much corruption is there we might even find we save money when we do more if we stop wasting. It is time to stop blaming the recipients and the programs when we leave the doors open for people to abuse the system. of course it gets abused, and yes it needs to change, but we do not need to get rid of the system, just start doing the right thing and addressing the problems with intelligence and work rather than throwing money at the hole.

    Oh, and yes i know, it was TL;DR for some illiterate dumbasses. Sorry, but the problems and solutions here are not covered in a twitter size post of some catch phrase, and no I am not really sorry so suck it up and scroll on by if you are incapable of reading more than a paragraph.

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    Re: Food stamp glitch leads to Wal-Mart stampede

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    How many would you estimate?

    My estimate would be 0

    This trash is completely dependent upon The Government (taxpayers) to live. It's a National disgrace.

    The only politicians they vote for are the ones who give them Food Stamps and Obamaphones

    Most of people that shop at Walmart probably don't have inherited wealth or college educations, had kids in their teens and the kind of jobs they used to have in manufacturing got sent overseas.

    The poor are easy to pick on because they don't have the political clout or funding to defend themselves. So naturally, everything wrong in this country is their fault.

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    Re: Food stamp glitch leads to Wal-Mart stampede

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    19 minutes. Only about twice as long as it took you to basically tuck tail and run without a single comprehensible reply.



    Ah, a liar as well - I'm sure your comment had to do with a video you JUST posted in this thread. Bronson, I have always wondered. When you're losing a debate, do you always resort to lying?


    Correct, you inquired about the EBT shoppers. Which I responded.



    Lolz:

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    Quit sayin' - we've established your forte is using the words "socialist" and "fascist" ad nauseum and until we start playing a drinking game. Now, would you like some help moving goalposts? Or what?
    This is hilarious. You're frantically googling walmart polls and other obscure nonsense while completely dodging the context and subject of this thread.

    This thread is not about who shops at Wal-Mart. Wal-Mart just happens to be where this specific EBT glitch took place. That could have happened anywhere. It says it right there in the news report. "Word spread and people flocked to Wal-Mart". The people in the video went there because word on spread about the glitch on the street.

    You lack even the most basic critical thinking skills. It's pathetic. I'm serious. It's PATHETIC. The problem is the EBT system itself. Clearly it's broken. Clearly the Government can manipulate the public with it. This was just a test run. Clearly these people are only concerned about their self interests.

    The culture surrounding our welfare system encourages vultures to play the system. You should be asking yourself what you're going to do when the EBT cards permanently shut off and these people need to eat. You're totally derailing this thread with childish nonsense and pathetic attempts at mockery. It's beneath me to even reply to you. Consider this the last time. Ever.

    You obviously did not watch the video

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CV4M9m0d1F4

    And if you're going to try and do the numbers at least get your samples right

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