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    Re: Lower 2014 income can net huge health care subsidy

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Let it go. You've won the argument 15 times already. This is just what they do, twisting themselves into these verbally gymnastic word contortions with a host of preset Alinsky tactics, muddying up the debate by sending you on a rabbit trail. Then they return back to the home base for further orders.

    Congratulations on your victory.
    Its called a hammer-nail relationship. Does a nail that's been hammered only once stick? Didn't think so.

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    Re: Lower 2014 income can net huge health care subsidy

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    You're definitely missing the part where it clearly states that one can reduce one's bracket by putting money in a tax-deferred account.
    You're missing the point where we shouldn't be pay higher subsidies to people to save their own money. I don't care how they reduce their own income. Its still a bad system.

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    Re: Lower 2014 income can net huge health care subsidy

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    You're missing the point where we shouldn't be pay higher subsidies to people to save their own money. I don't care how they reduce their own income. Its still a bad system.
    IOW, you got pwned, so now you're going to try and change the subject and hope no one notices.
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Lower 2014 income can net huge health care subsidy

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not really.

    First, no one said anything about holding anyone back that I know of. Second, people can work together for common goals and not hold anyone back. And capitalism is full of use of force. Remember, someone always wins.

    I'm just saying less of the propaganda and more facts would be appreciated. I'd not advocating for socialism. I just think factual arguments are better than vague emotion driven generalities.
    You should go back to the original point I commented on. He specifically says that less work for some equals more work for others. He's said in the past that it is a good thing that employers are cutting hours, because it will mean more jobs. If that isn't the definition of holding someone back, then I don't know what is.

    And no, someone doesn't always win. This isn't a zero sum game.

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    Re: Lower 2014 income can net huge health care subsidy

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    IOW, you got pwned, so now you're going to try and change the subject and hope no one notices.
    No one changed the subject...... The subject clearly is that the subsidies are bracketed instead of scaled, and this leads people to attempt to game the system to maximize their subsidy. Which is bad design. So don't be the guy who falsely claims "he changed the subject and hoped no one will notice" and hope no one will notice.

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    Re: Lower 2014 income can net huge health care subsidy

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    You should go back to the original point I commented on. He specifically says that less work for some equals more work for others. He's said in the past that it is a good thing that employers are cutting hours, because it will mean more jobs. If that isn't the definition of holding someone back, then I don't know what is.

    And no, someone doesn't always win. This isn't a zero sum game.
    That's what he says. Which means nothing to actual socialism. He did not say in a socialism . . . . . You did,out of the blue, with no support, and no comment that mentioned socialism. His argument, as you recount here, isn't about socialism.

    As a point of fact, cutting hours did stimulate the economy in the past. More people had more free time, and with money to spend. This led to greater consumerism, which led to more jobs, and so on. None of that was socialism btw. But on that point, he is correct.

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    Re: Lower 2014 income can net huge health care subsidy

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That's what he says. Which means nothing to actual socialism. He did not say in a socialism . . . . . You did,out of the blue, with no support, and no comment that mentioned socialism. His argument, as you recount here, isn't about socialism.

    As a point of fact, cutting hours did stimulate the economy in the past. More people had more free time, and with money to spend. This led to greater consumerism, which led to more jobs, and so on. None of that was socialism btw. But on that point, he is correct.
    Do I really need to hold your hand going back through this post? I said that this sort of thinking, along with numerous other posts he has made in the past, is what forms the basis of socialism.

    And you're right, so a 5 hour work week would be that much better right?!? Yeah no. There is a nice happy medium where you work enough to be good at your job and productive, but not so much that you are burnt out and unable to do anything else with your life. Which is how we ended up with a 40 hour workweek, which has worked perfectly fine for almost 100 years. So why did the ACA take the liberty to declare that full time is 30 hours? The only people this is going to hurt are those who are now only get 25-29 hours at their part time job instead of 35-36. Besides, there is a huge difference between saying businesses have to pay overtime on a per hour basis, and saying that they have to pay thousands of dollars more for a 29 hour worker than a 30 hour worker.

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    Re: Lower 2014 income can net huge health care subsidy

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    No one changed the subject...... The subject clearly is that the subsidies are bracketed instead of scaled, and this leads people to attempt to game the system to maximize their subsidy. Which is bad design. So don't be the guy who falsely claims "he changed the subject and hoped no one will notice" and hope no one will notice.
    What is "bad" about a system that encourages people in their 60's to avoid taxes by encouraging them to put more money in their tax-deferred IRA's?
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Lower 2014 income can net huge health care subsidy

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    A tapered subsidy would make more sense. But will the GOP allow such a fix?
    LOL! BLAME IT ON REPUBLICANS!!!

    It's all Bush's fault. He snuck that in there.

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    Re: Lower 2014 income can net huge health care subsidy

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    What is "bad" about a system that encourages people in their 60's to avoid taxes by encouraging them to put more money in their tax-deferred IRA's?
    Particularly when other people are paying for it and much, much more. It's better than free money, ie other people's money.

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