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pbrauer said:
So???
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Byrd was cut from the exact same cloth as Helms was. And yet plenty of dems lionized him on a daily basis. Heck, he was a grand whatever of the KKK at one time.
 
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Michael66 said:
Well then I guess we won't discuss, because I will continue to make the claim that racism is indeed behind the large majority of your country's problems. The disjointed negativism of your GOP has been mainly caused by the bagger influence. That has been largely successful because of the baggers putting up primary challenges to mainstream Repubs who have just recently shown that they need to put an end to it before it destroys the GOP brand.

Your country's problems nearly all are contributable to GOP negativism and contrariness toward Obama. In a close and careful analysis, it is evident that no specific charge can be levelled at Obama but instead innuendo which remains unspecific. Obama is opposed because he's a black president. And in fact, even as he regrettably accepts Republican policy as is plainly evident with his health care initiative which is a carbon copy of Republican wishes with Romney care, the baggers still are controlling the GOP in opposing him. No amount of Obama's compromising will make it any better. The die has been cast and that is to destroy him.

In a nutshell, the bagger movement is destroying your country's economy and preventing any kind of real economic recovery. The recent failure of the bagger efforts with Cruz is substantial proof of where the problem lies.

American counterspin is only partially effective within your country. The rest of the world isn't fooled.
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Your opinion noted and in this country allowed no matter how foolish it is. My country has a serious problem and that problem is people like you who ignore results and cry racism buying the rhetoric and ignoring the reality

Obama's results are the issue not racism at least for me. It does seem that neither you or others like you calling the attacks on Obama racism have any idea what leadership is all about. Nor do people like you understand personal responsibility and that in this country we have 50 sovereign states that have the ability to do what you seem to think is necessary. It is obvious that you really know little about this country but buy what you are told. A little research would show you how little you really do know.

I posted the Obama results, you ignored them. You continue to claim it is the "bagger" movement that is destroying our economy but cannot show how thus it is just another poorly informed opinion on your part. So in case you missed it and obviously you did, Romneycare was a state program, Obamacare is national and you don't implement successfully a national program in 50 sovereign states, with the geography of this country, and 312 million people especially as it relates to personal responsibility issues.

I certainly understand why people from other countries want ours to be more like theirs because the true nature of liberalism is to spread liberal misery equally to everyone else. Have you ever seen a happy liberal, someone who doesn't have anything to complain about?

Your statement that the rest of the world isn't fooled is another opinion. Many in the rest of the world have been fooled by the Obama rhetoric, you included
 
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clownboy said:
Byrd was cut from the excat same cloth as Helms was. And yet plenty of dems lionized him on a daily basis. Heck, he was a grand whatever of the KKK at one time.
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Shhh, don't tell that to Michael who claims that Republicans are the racists. Last I checked Byrd was a Democrat.
 
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clownboy said:
Byrd was cut from the excat same cloth as Helms was. And yet plenty of dems lionized him on a daily basis. Heck, he was a grand whatever of the KKK at one time.
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Ever consider the possibility he publicly admited that being a member of the KKK was a wrong choice and he regretted what he did?
 
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Michael66 said:
No, there have been others voicing their suspicions that Jack is a bagger. If every bit of his agenda is in sync with baggerism then don't you have to wonder why he isn't honest about supporting it? Maybe you and I should challenge him to show us one aspect in which he disagrees with the bagger ideology?
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What the Hell is this 'bagger' thing of yours? Do you genuinely want to be taken seriously???
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
Ever consider the possibility he publicly admited that being a member of the KKK was a wrong choice and he regretted what he did?
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Yes, wasn't that after several decades and when his past finally caught up with him?

Who do you think has been vilified more? Robert Byrd for being a Grand Wizard and a recruiter in the KKK or Sarah Palin for being a mother of five from Alaska?
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
Ever consider the possibility he publicly admited that being a member of the KKK was a wrong choice and he regretted what he did?
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The ONLY reason you believe that is because he was a dem and it suits your script. In truth his "apology" was milquetoast at best and came out of political convenience. Nothing was different in the before or after apology Byrd.
 
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clownboy said:
Byrd was cut from the exact same cloth as Helms was. And yet plenty of dems lionized him on a daily basis. Heck, he was a grand whatever of the KKK at one time.
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Yeah, the Democrats lionized him for good reason. Yeah, he was a member of the KKK in his 20's, but he renounced all of that and enjoyed a 100% voting record by the NAACP. Robert Byrd whereas, Jesse Helms didn't. You don't have approve with Byrd's politics, but if you are not bigoted at all, you should at least celebrate his growth.
 
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pbrauer said:
Yeah, the Democrats lionized him for good reason. Yeah, he was a member of the KKK in his 20's, but he renounced all of that and enjoyed a 100% voting record by the NAACP. Robert Byrd whereas, Jesse Helms didn't. You don't have approve with Byrd's politics, but if you are not bigoted at all, you should at least celebrate his growth.
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This is really quite comical. The guy was a head honcho in the KKK, boycotted the 1964 Civil Rights Act, and now he should be celebrated for his "growth".

Here is an interesting article but this guy.U.S. Senator Robert Byrd: Farewell to the Old Gasbag - TIME
 
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pbrauer said:
Yeah, the Democrats lionized him for good reason. Yeah, he was a member of the KKK in his 20's, but he renounced all of that and enjoyed a 100% voting record by the NAACP. Robert Byrd whereas, Jesse Helms didn't. You don't have approve with Byrd's politics, but if you are not bigoted at all, you should at least celebrate his growth.
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Nonsense, his public affair with the KKK continued well into his 30s and he only abandoned it when it threatened to mess with his political career. Basically saying he was only with the KKK because he thought they would help him in his goals. And decades later when it threatened his political career, again he found a new segment to help his political career.
 
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clownboy said:
Nonsense, his public affair with the KKK continued well into his 30s and he only abandoned it when it threatened to mess with his political career. Basically saying he was only with the KKK because he thought they would help him in his goals. And decades later when it threatened his political career, again he found a new segment to help his political career.
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The evolution of Robert Byrd's racial politics | theGrio
 
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pbrauer said:
Here is an article from TheGrio, a predominantly black website:

The evolution of Robert Byrd's racial politics | theGrio
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I loved this line from the opinion piece.

"And yet, Robert Byrd evolved—he changed for the good. He apologized for his intolerant past and declared that he had been wrong. Although he voted against Justice Marshall for the Supreme Court seat, years later he also voted with 45 other Democrats against the candidacy of conservative Clarence Thomas".

Leftists can be very funny and, it seems, without even trying.
 
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Michael66 said:
You can wiggle all around the fact that you have admitted that there are racists amongst the baggers Jack, but I'm quite satisfied that I and others on this board have established that you're one of them.

The only question remaining is why you would want to hide it? But that's not uncommon for a lot of people who are baggers and are ashamed of being so.

Undoubtedly you will continue to strengthen that belief among others as you have been notorious for doing on this board.
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I have no political affiliation of any kind, and in fact I believe that TP excesses have hurt the Repubs, especially in candidate selection. I'm completely indifferent to what you and others believe you have established. It has become clear to me that unexamined assumptions and unsupported conclusions form the basis of most of your posts.:peace
 
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Grant said:
In fact Sarah Palin was a leader and had a very high approval rating among the electorate. Who did Barry Obama ever lead? What administration experience did he have? What corruption has he ever exposed?
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4 out of 5 moose approve of Sarah Palin...




... as if she ever made a serious decision in her 1+ years in 'state' government......Most people have no problem with their park ranger.

Sorry, serious people do not take this woman seriously....
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
By all means Jack, show how the authors personal preferences influenced not only the research but the conclusion.

You are becoming famous here for your seeds of doubt argument.



Um, in and of itself, baggerism is extremely reactionary and the rise and influence of social conservatives has molded it into a more racist organization. A person can try to argue (falsely) what it was, but sadly for your argument, the movement is going South, literally and figuratively.
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What you describe as a "seeds of doubt argument" is only a commitment to precision and accuracy.:peace
 
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Jack Hays said:
What you describe as a "seeds of doubt argument" is only a commitment to precision and accuracy.:peace
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Your imprecise language continues unabated, you were providing doubt on others precision without evidence to the contrary.

Let me know when you have anything of substance to counter the study provided (this is the second request to prove your doubts).
 
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upsideguy said:
4 out of 5 moose approve of Sarah Palin...




... as if she ever made a serious decision in her 1+ years in 'state' government......Most people have no problem with their park ranger.

Sorry, serious people do not take this woman seriously....
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Seriously, this is the issue that a business person like you wants to discuss? Amazing, we have a 17 trillion dollar debt, 22 million unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers, stagnant economic growth, a disastrous Obamacare rollout, massive dependence on the federal govt., and the best you can do is attack a former governor that isn't running for office and one who wasn't running for President yet had more experience than the guy you voted for and a better record?
 
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Jack Hays said:
I'm completely indifferent to what you and others believe you have established. It has become clear to me that unexamined assumptions and unsupported conclusions form the basis of most of your posts.:peace
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A lie...followed by complete irony.
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
Your imprecise language continues unabated, you were providing doubt on others precision without evidence to the contrary.

Let me know when you have anything of substance to counter the study provided (this is the second request to prove your doubts).
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Just where was the methodology of this so called "study"? I looked and from what I read, it looked like 4 academics writing a conclusion based fantasy. Quite the smear job.

Remember, these are the hacks teaching your kids.
 
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Conservative said:
Seriously, this is the issue that a business person like you wants to discuss? Amazing, we have a 17 trillion dollar debt, 22 million unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers, stagnant economic growth, a disastrous Obamacare rollout, massive dependence on the federal govt., and the best you can do is attack a former governor that isn't running for office and one who wasn't running for President yet had more experience than the guy you voted for and a better record?
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You were the one that boasted of Sarah's leadership. I take your changing the subject as admitting that she is a lightweight. You are smart guy, you know that to be true.

But, we are back to your stating of other events: Disastrous rollout? The federal website does not work correctly. Embarrassing, yes. Disastrous, hardly. In the states that used their time to figure out how to make the PPACA work, the roll-out is going quite well, thank you. Those states that worked to sabotage the plan; well, those states can be proud.... just as the conservative caucus can be proud of the slow recovery as they have worked so hard to sabotage it every step of the way.... and you should be proud of your party, since you, like most conservatives, show now affirmation of being proud of your f country.

Massive dependence on the government? Seriously? Our social safety is pathetically thin. Not too many that can survive on government hand-outs much less be dependent on it.
 
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j-mac said:
Just where was the methodology of this so called "study"? I looked and from what I read, it looked like 4 academics writing a conclusion based fantasy. Quite the smear job.

Remember, these are the hacks teaching your kids.
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Seriously, you went to the link and could not find the "methods" section? That's sad!

Here comes the airplane....open wide....!

PLOS ONE: Race, Ideology, and the Tea Party: A Longitudinal Study
 
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upsideguy;1062459846]You were the one that boasted of Sarah's leadership. I take your changing the subject as admitting that she is a lightweight. You are smart guy, you know that to be true.
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What I posted was factual, she was a Governor with executive responsibilities something that Obama never had. What I know is you said you didn't vote for Obama in 08 but after seeing his results in 2012 did. I wouldn't call that good judgment or responding well to the results. You re-elected a community agitator who is good at one thing and one thing only, campaigning.

But, we are back to your stating of other events: Disastrous rollout? The federal website does not work correctly. Embarrassing, yes. Disastrous, hardly. In the states that used their time to figure out how to make the PPACA work, the roll-out is going quite well, thank you. Those states that worked to sabotage the plan; well, those states can be proud.... just as the conservative caucus can be proud of the slow recovery as they have worked so hard to sabotage it every step of the way.... and you should be proud of your party, since you, like most conservatives, show now affirmation of being proud of your f country.
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So apparently you have a different definition of disastrous than I do. I would think having 3 years to prepare for the rollout and having a website that doesn't work being disastrous. You and others keep pointing to states making the PPACA work then why do we need a Federal Program? You claim the rollout is going well, by what standards? How many have enrolled? not how many have been curious and logged on. Apparently you know more than the govt. is letting us know. Do you honestly think that this Administration that takes credit for everything wouldn't be touting successes if there were any?

It isn't my party but I am proud of Cruz for what he tried to do, educate the American people. Some are incapable of being educated however. I don't know what it takes to get people like you to admit you are wrong because obviously the terrible economic results and the rollout failures aren't going to do it. That means you and I have absolutely nothing in common because for me results matter. Nice rant though, because I point out the failures and economic results I am not proud of my country. I am not proud of what Obama is doing to our country nor should any American.

Massive dependence on the government? Seriously? Our social safety is pathetically thin. Not too many that can survive on government hand-outs much less be dependent on it.
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Not sure where you get your information but there are 48 million on food stamps, over 100 million dependent on some form of taxpayer assistance and you don't call that massive dependence? What in your world then is massive dependence and don't you see that as a problem? Not sure what information you get in your area but it seems to be very poor and biased.
 
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