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Cruz, Palin join protesters at WWII Memorial[W:793:1010:1190]

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This would only matter if Palin, Gingrich and Barr were important to the TP.

What does matter is that when you hit reply, you actually read what you are replying to... at least past the headline. You claim to be a man about history yet when I point to the time in history where this tea party had changed you say history doesn't matter. Go figure.
 
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What does matter is that when you hit reply, you actually read what you are replying to... at least past the headline. You claim to be a man about history yet when I point to the time in history where this tea party had changed you say history doesn't matter. Go figure.

The fact that outside figures have tried to benefit from the TP does not change its own nature.:peace
 
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The fact that outside figures have tried to benefit from the TP does not change it's own nature.:peace

Well I guess its your word against a Tea Party founder.
 
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He has a point, but it's too bad he conceded the field.

Conceded? His point is that the field was hijacked by the GOP so it conceded Libertarians and Libertarianism.

Hence Tea Party =/= Libertarian principles.
 
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Conceded? His point is that the field was hijacked by the GOP so it conceded Libertarians and Libertarianism.

No one can be "hijacked" without consent.
 
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No one can be "hijacked" without consent.

:lamo

That is probably one of the dumbest ****ing thing I've ever read. People who are hijacked all have to agree to being hijacked? Holy hell that's so dumb.

Planes are hijacked because it's what the passengers want. Brilliant I say!
 
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:lamo

That is probably one of the dumbest ****ing thing I've ever read. People who are hijacked all have to agree to being hijacked? Holy hell that's so dumb.

Planes are hijacked because it's what the passengers want. Brilliant I say!

I was referring to the specific context of our previous discussion. :peace
 
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I was referring to the specific context of our previous discussion. :peace

Spin time...

There is no context where the phrase "hijacked" is of willing consent with the exception of hyperbolic satire or humor.
 
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Thanks man....I know what you mean though....The first one I supplied, I must admit wasn't the one I was talking about before I gave to you...This one is more along the lines of what I was talking about...As for the $1 Trillion...I get the distinct impression that we are getting to the point where anything necessary is going to hurt.

You could be right . . . or our country could finally get off its arse and remember we use to do great things. We did well during the computer revolution, but times change. If we seriously invested in finding the next . . . real renewable energy source, we could jettison right back to the top shelf. Someone earlier in the talked linked to one of those sites that tell you about how millions are spent studying fruit fly sex lives as an example of waste to be eliminated. Now . . . imagine we spent that money on something that could equal the Manhattan project, but instead we power the world. Budget cuts and sequesters would seem foolish and OPEC would remember what it was like to ride camels.

I think we both agree the cuts have to be rational.
 
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Spin time...

There is no context where the phrase "hijacked" is of willing consent with the exception of hyperbolic satire or humor.

On the contrary, in the matter of political group formation one always has the option to splinter off rather than go along.
 
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On the contrary, in the matter of political group formation one always has the option to splinter off rather than go along.

There is one other faction that get's hijacked and it's not those who wish to go along... people can be unkowningly hijacked. Definitely seems to be the case here.
 
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An update to Altemeyer's "The Authoritarians" about the baggers:

12. Prejudice. Studies have found that authoritarian followers are among the most prejudiced
people in society. It is the nastiest aspect of their ethnocentrism, and one they insistently deny—to
others and to themselves. And they really do not realize how prejudiced they are, compared with
others, because they associate so much with other prejudiced people. So their prejudices seem
normal and perfectly justified to them.

Racial prejudice appeared at many of the Tea Party demonstrations, in the form of signs,
banners, and tee-shirts—just as it did during the 2008 campaign after Sarah Palin energized the
social conservatives. Tea Party spokespersons attributed these racist attacks to outsiders, “a few bad
apples,” or fringe members of the group. However Carl Paladino, the Republican candidate for
governor of New York who was enthusiastically supported by the Tea Party as a “100%
conservative,” was discovered on April 12, 2010 to have emailed racist photos (and also a picture of
a woman having sex with a horse) to a long list of friends. One doctored photo depicted the
president and Michelle Obama as a stereotyped black pimp and prostitute. Another described an
African tribal dance as the Obama inauguration rehearsal. A third picture showed an airplane
landing behind a group of black men, with the caption, “Holy ****, run niggers, run!"
Paladino quickly disassociated himself from the emails he sent, saying “That activity is not
Carl Paladino.” He didn‟t however say who it was instead, but still insisted he is not a racist. You
can be pretty sure that the rank-and-file of the Tea Party doesn‟t think he is either. But the point
here is, he sent these pictures to so many associates, some influential people in the movement had to
know what he thought. And it was apparently all right with them too, for he got a rousing Tea Party
endorsement.
The vitriol directed at Barack Obama seems unprecedented to many observers. It may be
that most Americans now see him as the President of the United States who happens to be African
American. But to many Tea Partiers he is a black man/N-word first, who has no right to be
president. Instead, he is a Muslim, a foreigner, a gangster, a fascist, a communist, even the anti
Christ. And they will probably never see him as anything else.



http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/drbob/Comment on the Tea Party.pdf

Seems like if you see something written, you accept it as the complete truth. So if you accept what you posted, you should accept this: http://cache.trustedpartner.com/doc...emocrat Racism Against Black Republicans3.pdf

So which way do you turn? The TEA Party is out and the Democrat party is out, right? By the standard you are using against the TEA Party the same has to hold true for the Democrats. If that's not enough of the same type stuff you posted against the TEA Party to get you to drop being a democrat, let me know. I'll post some more for you of the same type stuff to help you remain consistent. I'll expect your attacks on the democrats to begin right away in order for you not to be hypocritical to your own standard.
 
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You could be right . . . or our country could finally get off its arse and remember we use to do great things. We did well during the computer revolution, but times change. If we seriously invested in finding the next . . . real renewable energy source, we could jettison right back to the top shelf. Someone earlier in the talked linked to one of those sites that tell you about how millions are spent studying fruit fly sex lives as an example of waste to be eliminated. Now . . . imagine we spent that money on something that could equal the Manhattan project, but instead we power the world. Budget cuts and sequesters would seem foolish and OPEC would remember what it was like to ride camels.

I think we both agree the cuts have to be rational.

I agree, but frankly, the only cuts that seem to be working are sequester cuts that no one likes....
 
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You also stated that you didn't support Obama so why the change? How can anyone say that Palin/Cruz wouldn't be an improvement over what we have in the WH now? The economic results we have right now aren't worthy of any support yet for some reason you want to ignore those.

I find it hard to believe many people would the Palin/Cruz would be improvement over the sitting president. Many do not like the president or his policies, but few would endorse the dynamic duo of nutjobs to be his replacement. Why don't you run a poll as see how badly that combo does?
 
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I find it hard to believe many people would the Palin/Cruz would be improvement over the sitting president. Many do not like the president or his policies, but few would endorse the dynamic duo of nutjobs to be his replacement. Why don't you run a poll as see how badly that combo does?

Couldn't do any worse than Captain not my fault, and his sidekick foot in mouth.
 
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There is one other faction that get's hijacked and it's not those who wish to go along... people can be unkowningly hijacked. Definitely seems to be the case here.

As I said, in this context no one gets hijacked without consent.
 
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As I said, in this context no one gets hijacked without consent.

In what context do people who are hijack consent to being hijacked?
 
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In what context do people who are hijack consent to being hijacked?

When outsiders take over their group to redirect it, and they remain in the group.
 
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When outsiders take over their group to redirect it, and they remain in the group.

I see your point but there are these folks:

1) They have to be knowledgable of the hijack... which I've shown even you weren't
2) If they know and stay THIS:
Jack Hays said:
No one can be "hijacked" without consent.
... still does not apply as you said "No one". Also those who stay may be staying as resistance. Not consent.​

Had you not spoke in absolutes you might have a small window of opportunity to try and weazel out of your self inflicted logic trap. But ya' didn't.
 
Re: Cruz, Palin join protesters at WWII Memorial[W:793:1010]

I see your point but there are these folks:

1) They have to be knowledgable of the hijack... which I've shown even you weren't
2) If they know and stay THIS:

... still does not apply as you said "No one". Also those who stay may be staying as resistance. Not consent.​

Had you not spoke in absolutes you might have a small window of opportunity to try and weazel out of your self inflicted logic trap. But ya' didn't.

There's no trap and no need to weasel out of anything. I'm satisfied that my point stands.:peace
 
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By the standard you are using against the TEA Party the same has to hold true for the Democrats.
You have no idea what the argument was.

The argument was:

What I have said is that there is no racist component specific to Tea Party ideology (such as it is).

Which I argue is false. The bagger ideology is RWA which is inherently racist. Baggerism is extremely reactionary. Most bagger groups have slowly abandoned their libertarian roots and have become more socially conservative, focusing more and more on "traditional values":




Conclusion

The present paper examined possible causes and consequences of identification with the Tea Party movement. We measured longitudinal change in Tea Party identification and an array of constructs relevant to three approaches to the relationship between racial thinking and political judgment–namely, the outgroup-focused, ingroup-focused, and ideological perspectives.

Broadly, the data support claims that the Tea Party is–for some White supporters, at least–a racially motivated movement. Anti-Black sentiment was associated with Tea Party identification across time points. This relationship, however, appeared to be masked by assertions of national decline and the embrace of libertarian ideology.

The findings also suggest that identification with the Tea Party movement is related to racial identity, but not in the manner suggested by traditional models of racialized politics. Rather than causing affiliation with the Tea Party, White identity appears to be a product of immersion in the movement [41]. This phenomenon, which we term political racialization, merits further study to reveal the precise mechanisms by which identification with a political movement can shape racial attitudes and identities.

Our findings concerning libertarianism and social conservatism shed light on the ideological dynamics of the Tea Party movement during an important time in its history. Although support for the Tea Party movement tended to fall over the study period–from June 2010 to April-May 2011–the movement retained greater appeal for social conservatives than for libertarians. Thus, it may be that Republican attempts to exploit enthusiasm for the Tea Party succeeded in shifting the movement (in popular perception, at least) from economic to culturally conservative themes.
PLOS ONE: Race, Ideology, and the Tea Party: A Longitudinal Study


The argument was not whether there are racist elements within Democrats, the argument was whether the bagger ideology contains racist elements.

It does.
 
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