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Michael66 said:

If I presume too much then you are going to have to furnish evidence of that claim. The fact then does remain that you now don't think that most of the hateful racist signs aren't part of a frame up. You have us agreeing but you continue to take a contradictory position for some reason. Furnish some evidence now.

If Nambla has close ties to some Democrats then some Democrats are Nambla supporters, or at least Nambla has found a reason to be encouraged by some Democrats. If Democrats allow Nambla supporters to mix with their ranks in an obvious way as do the baggers with the racists are doing, then Democrats will have to bear the guilt of supporting the Nambla label. The Dems would have to make it at least appear that they aren't in bed with them. And of course they do. Unless you have evidence to show that they are in bed with Nambla.

The difference is, there is ample evidence to show that the baggers are mixing with and are in bed with the racists. The baggers are guilty of not disassociating with racist haters and therefore are branded with the label.

What we can extrapolate is that pedophiles exist in all groups of different political persuasions. I think you will agree. And I think you will also have to agree that racism is being displayed at bagger street gatherings much more than it is being displayed at other persusaions' gathering. That's pretty solid evidence.

But then, as you have demonstrated to me, you wanted to disagree with me on just who is carrying the signs purely for the sake of disagreement. Now you have changed your mind and agree that it's not all a frameup. You now have about as much credibility as the baggers have! And besides, your avatar and your location are a good indication of where you're coming from too. It's not for certain of course but it's right up there in per centages of being highly likely.

Are you still fighting the civil war? I'll be watching your posts and reviewing some of your old ones in order to determine that. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, ...................

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Jack Hays said:

I'll take your last and silliest point first. Two photo portraits have hung on my office wall for many years: W.T. Sherman and J.L. Chamberlain. I have never made any claims about the identities of any sign carriers. You are confused. There is no evidence whatsoever of a racist component to the Tea Party.eace

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Michael66 said:

And besides, your avatar and your location are a good indication of where you're coming from too. It's not for certain of course but it's right up there in per centages of being highly likely.

Are you still fighting the civil war? I'll be watching your posts and reviewing some of your old ones in order to determine that. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, ...................

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poweRob said:

I'd like to see a show of hands regarding who actually would WANT Cruz and Palin to stump for their election.

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Jack Hays said:

I'll take your last and silliest point first. Two photo portraits have hung on my office wall for many years: W.T. Sherman and J.L. Chamberlain. I have never made any claims about the identities of any sign carriers. You are confused. There is no evidence whatsoever of a racist component to the Tea Party.eace

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Verax said:

LoL, no racist component to the Tea Party huh? Really?

I see conservatives posting racist **** all over this forum every day. I live in Utah, I hear racist conservatives talking on a daily basis. Fox news pushes the absolute boundaries of sneaking borderline racist content into their programs to rile up the crazies every chance they get.

Yet you think there is no evidence? Have you tried opening your eyes?

I don't think most conservatives are racist at all, however there is damn well a significant "component" of the party that is.

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Jack Hays said:

Just to finish off the last of the silliness, what is it about my avatar that you find interesting? JH's standing as the greatest Texas Ranger? His work founding the city of Oakland, CA? Or his service on behalf of the federal government during the Civil War?

Are you aware that northern Virginia is a reliably Democratic voting region? eace

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Conservative said:

Compared to what we have right now in the WH, I would take Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck as both have more leadership skills than those two bozos in the WH but I forgot results don't matter to the "American Idol" voter like you

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mak2 said:

I was born and raised a very conservative person. All my neighbors and relatives are very, very conservative, there are dozens of dont tread on me flags in my neighborhood. Every single one of them I know personally well enough to know, and that is many, are overtly racist when it is just us around.

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Verax said:

LoL, no racist component to the Tea Party huh? Really?

I see conservatives posting racist **** all over this forum every day. I live in Utah, I hear racist conservatives talking on a daily basis. Fox news pushes the absolute boundaries of sneaking borderline racist content into their programs to rile up the crazies every chance they get.

Yet you think there is no evidence? Have you tried opening your eyes?

I don't think most conservatives are racist at all, however there is damn well a significant "component" of the party that is.

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pbrauer said:

Out here in Oregon even I knew that. Does that mean you're voting for McAuliffe?

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Jack Hays said:

You're going to have to define your terms. There is racism among conservatives just as there is racism among every political persuasion on the spectrum. It's like smoking; it used to be widespread but is now largely a secret vice. What I have said is that there is no racist component specific to Tea Party ideology (such as it is). The TP was largely libertarian in origin.eace

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Michael66 said:

Now you're changing your mind again Jack? The baggers who are carrying the racist signs are not baggers now? Again?
What a piece of work!
You're spending all your time defending the baggers yet you claim no affiliation whatsoever!

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poweRob said:

A voter like me huh? Well a person like me actually hates damn close to all "reality" tv. I've never watched one episode of American Idol or any of those kinds of shows.

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Conservative said:

You also stated that you didn't support Obama so why the change? How can anyone say that Palin/Cruz wouldn't be an improvement over what we have in the WH now? The economic results we have right now aren't worthy of any support yet for some reason you want to ignore those.

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poweRob said:

You really need to know who you are talking to when you credit them with stuff. I voted for Obama this last election. I did not vote for him in his first election.

And as far as the economic status... you may continue shooting yourself in the foot with that shtick that you always get pwned on.

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Conservative said:

Interesting since apparently in your world shooting one's self in the foot is posting verifiable non partisan data. I am still waiting for you to post the data that refutes what I have posted and offering the sites you find credible that have helped you form your opinions.

You didn't vote for Obama the first time when he didn't have a record but now voted for him with the record he has? That says a lot about you and if that is the case then economic numbers don't matter and you are indeed an "American Idol" voter buying the rhetoric and ignoring the results. It does seem that social programs trump economic results even though it is the economic results that will destroy those social programs. without a strong economy dependence on the federal govt. will bankrupt us.

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DiavoTheMiavo said:

Yeah, but all along I said I have been using the numbers you supplied, and you just switched websites from the one earlier. Penny Plan and the One Cent Solution. They are similar, but not the same plans. One says GDP, the other says national income. One says 3-years, the other says 7-years, and I found even another one that says 5-years. It has been suggested many times under different names with different sponsors. So, now I am more confused than before. Because all of them only account 1% a year. 1st year, approximately $38-Billion in cuts. The next year we would knock approximately $37.62-Billion for a total of $75.62-Billion for two years. This one says GDP and makes the plan much more realistic, except I see no accounting for inflation and I still don't know how you cut a $1-trillion a year out of the budget without hurting . . . and that's only if we spend $3.8 or less a year over the next seven.

Lastly, it does call for some government getting cut more than others . . . not everyone is gonna be at 1%, but I would, like I said earlier, agree to the 1% thing right now, this very instant. We could always throw some of this other stuff against the wall to see if it sticks, as long as it doesn't hurt the economy, I am all for less spending.

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Jack Hays said:

You're going to have to define your terms. There is racism among conservatives just as there is racism among every political persuasion on the spectrum. It's like smoking; it used to be widespread but is now largely a secret vice. What I have said is that there is no racist component specific to Tea Party ideology (such as it is). The TP was largely libertarian in origin.eace

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Verax said:

I really can't take you seriously.

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iacardsfan said:

Cruz and Palin are honestly pathetic. I applaud the veterans on the other hand. 80+ years old and still fighting for their country against those who are trying to ruin it; their politicians. Hats off to them. I only wish the people would realize how corrupt the government is and make a true change, not an Obama "change"

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casat1 said:

I really don't understand the appeal of Palin. She's not particularly smart or well spoken. She doesn't have any new or good ideas to present,
but some people eat up everything she says. She repeats the republican talking points and doesn't add anything.

There are many more smarter people with similar political view such as michelle bachman. I dont agree with her, but at least she seems like an intelligent person that can add to the debate.

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Jack Hays said:

The TP was largely libertarian in origin.

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Jack Hays said:

You're going to have to define your terms.

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