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Captain Courtesy (??) said conservatives were stormfront

That's not what he said at all and you're being extremely disingenuous. However, what else are we to expect from you? I dare you to quote his posts. Dare you to show where he said conservatives are stromfront and not that some at stormfront are conservatives.
 
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Are you serious? You do know that the first people Hitler sent to Dachau in the 30's were union leaders and socialists, right? No, never mind....what am I thinking. For you to know that would have meant you'd have to read a real history book instead of these Far right extremist rags.

No #### Sherlock, that's what socialist do, they always go after other socialist and back stab them. Lenin did it. Stalin did it. Hitler did it. Even NPR did it when they fired Juan Williams.

How many has Obama thrown under the bus ? Reverend Wright, Bill Ayers, ... ?
 
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No #### Sherlock, that's what socialist do, they always go after other socialist and back stab them. Lenin did it. Stalin did it. Hitler did it. Even NPR did it when they fired Juan Williams.

How many has Obama thrown under the bus ? Reverend Wright, Bill Ayers, ... ?

It's like you live on another planet sometimes.
 
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So you say they are conservative but have no idea what they are about.

Nor do I, which makes your assertion rather weak and useless.

No, I know exactly what they are about. I've visited their website. I have no intention of linking to it here.

As usual, your assertion has been easily refuted.
 
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Prove that the abuse of Sarah Palin is mainstream?

You are not familiar with any abuse of Sarah Palin and her family? I find that rather difficult to believe.

Prove it was mainstream. And I am quite familiar with the abuse of Sarah Palin and her family. I pounded EXTREMIST liberals who attacked Bristol Palin back in 2008 on this very site.

Grant... you just keep walking into them. :lol:
 
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Already posted.

No, you haven't. You posted your opinion which is valueless when it comes to evidence. In other words, you have nothing.
 
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Even though Sarah Palin never said that, just like she never said she could see Russia from her house, a liberal by the name of Tina Fey said it. I'm sure the liberal MSM has sent news teams to Wasilla, Alaska to fact check some liberal's claim.

The fringe of the radical left fear Sarah Palin so much, they'll be probably responsible for putting her in power with in a future executive administration.

Now Vladimir Putin, the Muslim Brotherhood, Al Qaeda and China wouldn't be happy campers if that happened. They are just as happy as clams with the current administration.
 
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Even though Sarah Palin never said that, just like she never said she could see Russia from her house, a liberal by the name of Tina Fey said it. I'm sure the liberal MSM has sent news teams to Wasilla, Alaska to fact check some liberal's claim.

The fringe of the radical left fear Sarah Palin so much, they'll be probably responsible for putting her in power with in a future executive administration.

Now Vladimir Putin, the Muslim Brotherhood, Al Qaeda and China wouldn't be happy campers if that happened. They are just as happy as clams with the current administration.

Palin did say that you could see Russia from land in Alaska (which is technically true, although both vistas are desolate wastelands), and that somehow made her an expert on Russian affairs. Sarah Palin knows less about Russia than I do.

I'm pretty sure Buck Ewer was making a joke. Unclench for two seconds and realize that the Quitta from Wasilla is not perfect. Grow a sense of humor.
 
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Nobody to the left of anything fears anything from Sarah Palin. However, I will be damned if I'm going to watch her constantly lie her ass off and not call her on it.

Sarah Palin is living proof that an absolute know-nothing jackass can get elected to a governor's seat. She's accomplished literally nothing else.
 
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Prove it was mainstream. And I am quite familiar with the abuse of Sarah Palin and her family. I pounded EXTREMIST liberals who attacked Bristol Palin back in 2008 on this very site.

Grant... you just keep walking into them. :lol:

Letterman made a tasteless crack about Alex Rodriguez and Bristol, who was of legal age and was attempting to be a spokeswoman for teen abstinence while having just had a kid fathered while she was a teen, which, of course, the persecution-complex wing of the right-wing bull**** machine somehow tried to morph into an attack on one of Governor Palin's underage daughters. Even though it was patently obvious that wasn't the daughter Letterman was talking about.
 
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Not sure how I am misreading it. National income verses national revenue . . . whats the difference?

Because, the crux of the program is to cut 1% per year from spending and balance the budget in 6 years...Why is that a bad thing?
 
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Letterman made a tasteless crack about Alex Rodriguez and Bristol, who was of legal age and was attempting to be a spokeswoman for teen abstinence while having just had a kid fathered while she was a teen, which, of course, the persecution-complex wing of the right-wing bull**** machine somehow tried to morph into an attack on one of Governor Palin's underage daughters. Even though it was patently obvious that wasn't the daughter Letterman was talking about.

So what? Why is the family fair game to start with?
 
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So what? Why is the family fair game to start with?

1. I don't particularly think it is. That's why I referred to the joke as "tasteless."

2. Rush Limbaugh, on TV, after the Clintons had gotten a cat, referred to Chelsea Clinton as the "White House dog."

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2012/03/15/flashback-when-rush-limbaughs-hate-was-televise/184523

Family should be off limits ... for all that conservatives bitch about how bad the "left" treated Bush, they pretty much left Laura Bush alone. Conservative rimjobs have been utterly awful in how they've treated Michelle Obama, who literally has done nothing to harm anyone in any conceivable capacity.
 
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So there are no right-wing dictators with whom dissent isn't permitted and rights are limited? That's absurd.

You're acting as if "freedom" is far right, and everything gets progressively less "free" as you move left. That's insane.

It's insane that some people are willing to give up their liberty and freedom to join or support a "collectivist" political agenda when the historical results of such leftist ideology is horrible. And the further left a country goes, the further results worsen. "Right wing dictators"? LOL. Dictators are a left wing idea, for the good of the masses is one of the usual lies they tell. Of course it's unachievable with a government in firm control of everything.
 
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It's insane that some people are willing to give up their liberty and freedom to join or support a "collectivist" political agenda when the historical results of such leftist ideology is horrible. And the further left a country goes, the further results worsen. "Right wing dictators"? LOL. Dictators are a left wing idea, for the good of the masses is one of the usual lies they tell. Of course it's unachievable with a government in firm control of everything.

1. Stop right there. There is no "collectivist political agenda" in the U.S. At least not one that has any traction in mainstream politics.

2. Holy crap. So now "dicators" are sole province of the "left."

Hitler was a right-wing dictator. So was Mussolini, so was Franco. Period, discussion over. You have NO IDEA what you are talking about. NONE.
 
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I know what Nazi means. "National Socialist." But their policies certainly weren't.

Classic. LOL. The "National Socialists" did what they did but they really were not socialists. No, no. They were not "collectivists" at all. LOL.
 
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1. I don't particularly think it is. That's why I referred to the joke as "tasteless."

Ok, I accept that I guess.

2. Rush Limbaugh, on TV, after the Clintons had gotten a cat, referred to Chelsea Clinton as the "White House dog."

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2012/03...elevise/184523

Family should be off limits ... for all that conservatives bitch about how bad the "left" treated Bush, they pretty much left Laura Bush alone. Conservative rimjobs have been utterly awful in how they've treated Michelle Obama, who literally has done nothing to harm anyone in any conceivable capacity.

Family should be off limits, (except to say that a first lady, an adult, puts herself into world, or domestic affairs) children of the President should never be fodder. Having said that, it is not surprising that your MediaMatters account of what actually happened is totally wrong, and cherry picked to attack someone they hate. Here is the real story behind that flap....

All right, that’s Franken’s story. Let’s take a closer look. Before we delve into the more egregious violations of the truth, let’s start with his subtle deception.

Franken provides the date of “1993″. That is false. The only incident resembling Franken’s account took place Nov. 6, 1992. Anyone who tells you otherwise is confused or lying. Or both.

The date might seem like an insignificant detail, but it is important to the context. Nov. 6, 1992 was immediately after the election, when there was still a great deal of excitement. The new first family-to-be was a huge topic of discussion. Chelsea had been shielded during the campaign so most people didn’t know a lot about her or even what she looked like. Switching the date to 1993 is a subtle, artful sleight that prevents Franken’s readers from seeing the need for Rush to identify Chelsea to his audience.

Franken solidifies the false date by claiming, falsely of course, that the incident was “shortly after Clinton took office” when clearly it was not.

Then, he fabricated details of the incident. Originally there was no mention of the cat. Rush could not have said the line “coyly”, as Franken claimed, considering Rush never said it at all. All of the supposed quotes from Rush are fake.
All of them.
The following is what actually happened:
On his TV show in 1992, a few days after the Presidential election, Rush Limbaugh was reviewing In/Out lists (a popular fad at the time):

Limbaugh on the show: "In today’s New York Daily News right here… it’s the obligatory in-out list. Every time there’s a massive change somewhere, people are in, people are out. I’m now out. It says about me on here, Rush Limbaugh, loud-mouthed conservative and Bush favorite. He’s out."

Rush commented that most of the other things on the days’ list were not funny, but that “one of them in particular” was. Rush quoted from the David Hinckley article:

“In: A cute kid in the White House. Out: Cute dog in the White House.”
Could– could we see the cute kid? Let’s take a look at– see who is the cute kid in the White House.
A picture of the “cute dog” (Millie) appeared on the screen instead of the “cute kid” (Chelsea).

Rush immediately said

"No, no, no. That’s not the kid."

Then a picture of Chelsea Clinton came on the screen and Rush said:

"That’s– that’s the kid."

Rush apologized several times and told a story about how he had learned early in his career the importance of not making fun of someone’s appearance. He then apologized again and said:

"I’m– I hope you will forgive me. I’m fatigued. I’m tired…"

Before breaking to a commercial, Rush asked the audience what he could do to make amends for the incident and, in an odd, spontaneous joke, proceeded to spank himself.

Was Rush trying to make the most of a mistake, or was the whole thing scripted—apologies and all? The fact that Franken had to use a fake version of events to argue his case tells us a lot. The real version has Rush talking about a “cute dog” as well as a “cute kid,” obviously not a set-up for calling the kid a dog.

It is not an assault on Chelsea, as her picture only comes up in the context of correcting the error.

Franken set up a fake joke, falsely accused Rush of trying to tell it and then complained that the joke would only make sense if Rush put up the picture on purpose. The question of, “what picture was supposed to come up?” is not ironclad, it is ironic. Rush replaced the picture.

Rush has always maintained the incident was an accident. On his show four days later, Rush offered an explanation to his audience. First, the show played, “Who’s sorry now” in the background and Limbaugh pointed to himself. Then he said:

"Ladies and gentlemen, I’m sorry. Let me tell you very quickly what happened last Friday night. There was a new in list and new out list that was published in the newspaper. The writer said in, cute kid in the White House; out, cute dog in the White House. Could we show the cute dog in the White House who’s out, and they put up a picture of Chelsea Clinton back in the crew. And many of you people think that we did it on purpose to make a cheap comment on her appearance. And I’m terribly sorry. I don’t–look, that takes no talent whatsoever and I have a lot of talent. I don’t need to get laughs by commenting on people’s looks, especially a young child who’s done nothing wrong. I mean, she can’t control the way she looks. And we really–we do not–we do not do that on this kind of show. So put a picture up of her now and so we can square this."

They then showed the picture of Chelsea Clinton. She had a displeased look on her face, as if to show that she was not too happy with the mistake.

Rush continued:

"All right. We’re sorry. We didn’t intend to hurt her feelings. We’ll be back with our final segment right after this. Don’t go away."

This apology offers considerable insight into what happened. Rush indicates that he had asked to see the “cute dog”. That is not what happened on the show, but is probably what had been planned–which explains why Rush has it backward. If Rush was supposed to ask to see the “cute dog” first, that would explain why the technician put up the picture. They had it cued first. In addition, if they had the pictures cued according to the names “Chelsea” and “Millie,” it is even easier to see how a mistake could have happened. Both are female names and like most of America at the time, the technician probably did not know Chelsea by name.

As for Franken’s question of why, if it was an accident, Rush did not fix the problem, the actual context again has the answer. Rush corrected the initial error right away and apologized several times — thereby fixing the problem. There was no need to go back and re-tape a different sequence of events. Mistakes that don’t violate FCC regulations are routinely left in TV talk shows, most notably late-night shows like Jay Leno or Conan O’Brien or Rush Limbaugh’s show.

Besides, Rush gave us his reasoning in 1990 after an embarrassing incident had occurred when he was hosting a show for Pat Sajak. Rush said,

"Since I as a broadcaster on radio and now on television believe in behaving in an honest fashion, not faking anything and allowing whatever happens to happen, uh, you saw what happened…" Many other shows would have attempted to keep you from seeing what happened in this studio tonight. It happened; we don’t hide behind it…
It is worth noting that, interestingly, there was an incident– in 1993– where Rush did discuss Chelsea Clinton’s appearance. Here’s what he said:

"You know, she’s [Hillary Clinton] got an interview out in Redbook magazine that just came out this week. And in it she says that she thinks it’s very childish of shows like “Saturday Night Live” to make fun of Chelsea. And I agree. I mean, I don’t think you should take shots at a little kid, especially the way a little kid looks and… Well, they do it on “Saturday Night Live” and they’re really mean and vicious about it. And I think that it’s worth pointing out that the liberals who run “Saturday Night Live” are the ones doing that. They always say that people like me make fun of the way people look, and we haven’t done that; and-and so she [Hillary] talks about that…"

(Rush Limbaugh TV Show, February 12, 1993)

What, you may ask, was Rush talking about? Well, a Saturday Night Live skit had Madonna making a sexual advance toward Chelsea Clinton (played by a dressed-up Julia Sweeney, the actress who also played the androgynous character “Pat”). It was outrageous. The following is from a transcript of the show, which aired on 1/16/1993:
[Clinton gives Madonna the "Call Me!" signal again, but she shakes hr fingers "No, no", and acknowledges Chelsea instead, who is pleasantly surprised by the outcome]

Yes, Hillary had in fact complained about Saturday Night Live, where her daughter’s appearance was being viciously mocked.

As you may recall, whether he was directly involved in the skit or not, Al Franken was a cast member, a writer and a co-producer for the show at the time they were making fun of Chelsea’s appearance– when Hillary complained about it.

Rush Limbaugh of course has not been the only conservative to be attacked unfairly, but he has been attacked more than perhaps any other.

Fact Checking Al Franken

As for "leaving Laura Bush pretty much alone" that is just not true, no more so than me saying that conservatives leave Michelle Obama pretty much alone.

But the record is set straight now, and I would suggest that you not try and use MediaMatters for your supposed "truths" they are just not reliable for that....

MediaMatters are little more than progressive political hacks, selectively hatcheting only what conservatives say in order to attack them, in many cases a childish distortion of actually what was said or done. They are no more reliable than someone on the right using sites that do the same thing in the inverse, and it speaks directly to your credibility to so easily be drawn into this particular lie.
 
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1. Stop right there. There is no "collectivist political agenda" in the U.S. At least not one that has any traction in mainstream politics.

2. Holy crap. So now "dicators" are sole province of the "left."

Hitler was a right-wing dictator. So was Mussolini, so was Franco. Period, discussion over. You have NO IDEA what you are talking about. NONE.

It really is a shame that people like you ignore results and resort to diversion making claims of right wing personal attacks as if that doesn't occur on the left as well. This is nothing more than typical liberalism and radical liberalism to divert from the failures of the liberal agenda and policies. Results matter, not rhetoric so let me know when you think those 22 million unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers are going back to work full time paying taxes? Let me know when you think we will get back to strong economic growth? Let me know when you think Obama will address the staggering debt he has generated? Keep talking about the things that don't matter while ignoring the things that do.
 
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It really is a shame that people like you ignore results and resort to diversion making claims of right wing personal attacks as if that doesn't occur on the left as well.

I don't know if you've been paying attention, but the last about 20 pages of this thread have been me pointing out that no type of rhetoric is exclusive province of the "right" OR the "left."

This is nothing more than typical liberalism and radical liberalism to divert from the failures of the liberal agenda and policies.

Non sequitur, disqualified.

Results matter, not rhetoric

The last president we had with results was Clinton.

so let me know when you think those 22 million unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers are going back to work full time paying taxes? Let me know when you think we will get back to strong economic growth? Let me know when you think Obama will address the staggering debt he has generated? Keep talking about the things that don't matter while ignoring the things that do.

I'm going to guess you answer is "when the Republicans are back in control." I disagree, because I think the Republicans and Democrats are both terrible.

I don't know when the things you ask are going to happen. But I'll be damned if I'm going to sit there and let people like you claim that all of our problems are due to "leftism," because that's a steaming heap of bullsh*t.

You seem to be operating under the assumption that I'm some fan of Obama.
 
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Classic. LOL. The "National Socialists" did what they did but they really were not socialists. No, no. They were not "collectivists" at all. LOL.

Not really, no. But welcome back to the party.
 
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Because, the crux of the program is to cut 1% per year from spending and balance the budget in 6 years...Why is that a bad thing?

So, I guess we should ignore the fact we are supposed to operate the government with a budget less than $1-Trillion a year.
 
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It's insane that some people are willing to give up their liberty and freedom to join or support a "collectivist" political agenda when the historical results of such leftist ideology is horrible. And the further left a country goes, the further results worsen. "Right wing dictators"? LOL. Dictators are a left wing idea, for the good of the masses is one of the usual lies they tell. Of course it's unachievable with a government in firm control of everything.

Have you ever considered studying even a little bit of political science instead of just making it up as you go by indulging in these very childish and inane statements?
 
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Ok, I accept that I guess.

Well good, we're getting somewhere.

Family should be off limits, (except to say that a first lady, an adult, puts herself into world, or domestic affairs) children of the President should never be fodder. Having said that, it is not surprising that your MediaMatters account of what actually happened is totally wrong, and cherry picked to attack someone they hate. Here is the real story behind that flap....

Mea culpa. To be fair to both Rush (GNNNH) and MMFA, to be honest, Media Matters is quite often very accurate. Yes, they are partisan, they have a clear agenda, and generally their audio/video is fully in context. This, however, is an old clip and it's obvious on a second glance that it's not in context, so I'll wave the white flag on that.

However, given the context of the discussion, I think some of the attacks on Michelle Obama for trying to help parents have their kids not be fat slugs are kind of appalling.

As for "leaving Laura Bush pretty much alone" that is just not true, no more so than me saying that conservatives leave Michelle Obama pretty much alone.

A few Daily Kos jerkoffs made fun of Laura Bush for running someone over when she was in college, but let's get serious. Laura got off light for a first lady. Nancy Reagan was treated worse, but to be fair, Nancy Reagan was a weirdo.

But the record is set straight now, and I would suggest that you not try and use MediaMatters for your supposed "truths" they are just not reliable for that....

They're actually pretty reliable, but I'll fully admit that link screwed the pooch.

MediaMatters are little more than progressive political hacks, selectively hatcheting only what conservatives say in order to attack them, in many cases a childish distortion of actually what was said or done. They are no more reliable than someone on the right using sites that do the same thing in the inverse, and it speaks directly to your credibility to so easily be drawn into this particular lie.

Again, yes, MMFA is partisan as hell, it's in their mission statement. But for all the attempted debunking of that site that I've seen, very few tries actually pass muster. This is one of them; but again, it's a clip that predates the existence of the site by what, 15 years?
 
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