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Michael66 said:
No, you shouldn't cut a lot of fat. Americans have been led down the garden path into believing what the very wealthy want them to believe. It's time for a new way of thinking:

America has the second worst income inequality in the world, only behind Mexico. Once you are able to know and understand that you all should be able to start considering reality. And the reality is, the very wealthy have stolen the piece of the pie that should belong to the people. America also has the highest per capita average incomes in the world. So what's wrong with the picture?

Clearly the first hurdle to get over is upping taxation on the wealthy. That's how the wellbieing of the poor and middle class is going to be elevated.

This calls for a new form of capitalism, something similar to Canada's. It's called socially responsible capitalism and it needs to replace America's form of capitalism that is being promoted by the very wealthy in order to feather their beds at the expense of the rest of the people.
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I have always got a kick when the Obama hater's cry "Obama's trying to redistribute the wealth." When all they would have to do is take 5 minutes of study to learn that "wealth redistribution" has been taking place for well over 30 years, before we ever heard of Obama, with the wealth being redistributed from the lower and middle classes to the rich. I suppose, in their mind's, that kind of "wealth redistribution," is just fine and dandy. But any attempt to funnel the money back to the lower and middle classes is just pure blasphemy. Fools. All of them.
 
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Captain America said:
I have always got a kick when the Obama hater's cry "Obama's trying to redistribute the wealth." When all they would have to do is take 5 minutes of study to learn that "wealth distribution" has been taking place for well over 30 years, before we ever heard of Obama, with the wealth being redistributed from the lower and middle classes to the rich. I suppose, in their mind's, that kind of "wealth redistribution," is just fine and dandy. But any attempt to funnel the money back to the lower and middle classes is just pure blasphemy. Fools. All of them.
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Lest we not forget . . . Corporate Welfare and subsidies? Good for the nation.
 
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DiavoTheMiavo said:
Lest we not forget . . . Corporate Welfare and subsidies? Good for the nation.
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Good for the politicians in bed with the corporate fat cats, maybe.
 
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Conservative said:
The first place to cut is all social programs not entitlements be returned to the state and local communities and not funded out of the Federal Treasury. Those programs are bloated, full of waste, fraud, and abuse and nothing more than a slush fund for federal bureaucrats. All Foreign aid should be fully scrutinized and cut off to countries that aren't friendly to this country. All entitlement programs, SS, Medicare, and Medicaid be removed from the budget and put back where the belong in Intergovt. holdings and not used as part of the unified budget which should be eliminated. All Excise taxes should go into that lockbox for infrastructure and then let the people decide on the other items that are left as to what should be funded.
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All you're really doing is advocating the stripping away of what remains in your country of socially responsible capitalism. Do you really think America can afford to go further in that direction now when your country has declined down the ranks of rich countries to near the bottom in nearly all respects?

Your country's income inequality is second worst in the entire world. Doesn't that tell you what your push really should be? Do you want to make it worse and force America further down the list?
 
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Captain America said:
Good for the politicians in bed with the corporate fat cats, maybe.
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You ever wonder why the corporate entitlement programs are never ever mentioned?
 
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Captain America said:
I agree 100% we should cut a LOT of fat out of government expenditures. It is out of hand and off the hook.

But what I find puzzling is that some prefer to take the food out of babies mouths, cut education and/or infrastructure before we cut-off aid to foreign countries that aren't worth pissing on or closing tax loopholes (or outright hard-cash subsidies,) to some of the most profitable industries in the country.

I think we all agree that the spending needs to be cut. It's WHERE we cut that has the people divided.
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You hit the nail on the head.

Hell, just look at Eisenhower's predictions on the Military Industrial Complex.
 
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Captain America said:
I have always got a kick when the Obama hater's cry "Obama's trying to redistribute the wealth." When all they would have to do is take 5 minutes of study to learn that "wealth redistribution" has been taking place for well over 30 years, before we ever heard of Obama, with the wealth being redistributed from the lower and middle classes to the rich. I suppose, in their mind's, that kind of "wealth redistribution," is just fine and dandy. But any attempt to funnel the money back to the lower and middle classes is just pure blasphemy. Fools. All of them.
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It's encouraging to hear at least one American who has clued into the truth. And in fact there may be more but sadly there appears to be too few. Your post is right on the money and the facts in your country should be telling everybody that by now.

Perhaps when Obama is finished his second term things will improve as the tea baggers don't have a black man to hate anymore. That's really what most of the trouble is all about and when it's gone so too will be Cruz's support. He depends on it to support his agenda of negativism and hate.
 
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Captain America said:
I have always got a kick when the Obama hater's cry "Obama's trying to redistribute the wealth." When all they would have to do is take 5 minutes of study to learn that "wealth redistribution" has been taking place for well over 30 years, before we ever heard of Obama, with the wealth being redistributed from the lower and middle classes to the rich. I suppose, in their mind's, that kind of "wealth redistribution," is just fine and dandy. But any attempt to funnel the money back to the lower and middle classes is just pure blasphemy. Fools. All of them.
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Did you get a kick out of Obama when he said he wanted to redistribute the wealth in America? He's made attempts to do just that with predicable, horrible results. The income gap has risen to record levels under his leadership and will only get worse under his leadership.
 
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Michael66 said:
All you're really doing is advocating the stripping away of what remains in your country of socially responsible capitalism. Do you really think America can afford to go further in that direction now when your country has declined down the ranks of rich countries to near the bottom in nearly all respects?

Your country's income inequality is second worst in the entire world. Doesn't that tell you what your push really should be? Do you want to make it worse and force America further down the list?
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No, actually what I am doing is returning the country to the vision our Founders had where social responsibility rests with the individual and the safety net at the state and local level where it belongs. Please tell me what a federal bureaucrat in D.C. knows about a social problem in your area or how to solve it?

Income inequality in this country is a problem with the individual and isn't something a free society legislates. What is preventing you and others from getting a piece of that pie? The pie isn't finite, it continues to grow. When someone gets richer that doesn't mean someone else gets poorer. It is all up to you to be what you are capable of being. I quite frankly don't care what someone else makes or pays in taxes, why do you? The country was built on equal opportunity not equal outcome.
 
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Conservative said:
Yes, apparently I do....
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FFS, you completely, totally ignored the fact that Lew had been warning Congress that the Treasury was heading towards a state of cash shortage.

You did not read what you wrote, you did not read my response, you did not read the letter from Lew.
You just had a complete breakdown of how to operate on a forum.

Yesterday you claimed I was a paid Democratic operative. I think today you proved you are a piece of software.
 
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Conservative said:
No, actually what I am doing is returning the country to the vision our Founders had where social responsibility rests with the individual and the safety net at the state and local level where it belongs. Please tell me what a federal bureaucrat in D.C. knows about a social problem in your area or how to solve it?

Income inequality in this country is a problem with the individual and isn't something a free society legislates. What is preventing you and others from getting a piece of that pie? The pie isn't finite, it continues to grow. When someone gets richer that doesn't mean someone else gets poorer. It is all up to you to be what you are capable of being. I quite frankly don't care what someone else makes or pays in taxes, why do you? The country was built on equal opportunity not equal outcome.
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Now THERE'S some old school conservatism! DOUBLE-LIKE!

Not a mention of gays, liberals, blacks or Mexicans.

Stick with that brother!
 
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Conservative said:
No, actually what I am doing is returning the country to the vision our Founders had where social responsibility rests with the individual and the safety net at the state and local level where it belongs. Please tell me what a federal bureaucrat in D.C. knows about a social problem in your area or how to solve it?

Income inequality in this country is a problem with the individual and isn't something a free society legislates. What is preventing you and others from getting a piece of that pie? The pie isn't finite, it continues to grow. When someone gets richer that doesn't mean someone else gets poorer. It is all up to you to be what you are capable of being. I quite frankly don't care what someone else makes or pays in taxes, why do you? The country was built on equal opportunity not equal outcome.
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The reason why people need to worry about what others are paying in taxes is because taxes need to be paid in order for a country to function. In your country your income inequality clearly points at the fact that the wealthy aren't paying their fair share.

My bureaucrats are not in Washington. I'm a Canadian who is living under a system that works. Your system is not working. Your solution of somehow bringing back equal opportunity lacks specificity and substance. It's nothing more than parroting the agenda of the wealthy that has 9/10's of your country snookered into giving up their piece of the pie.

Yes, I understand that your fellow Americans who are doing without are not important to you. You regard them as freeloaders.
 
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Captain America said:
Now THERE'S some old school conservatism! DOUBLE-LIKE!

Not a mention of gays, liberals, blacks or Mexicans.

Stick with that brother!
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The country may have been built on equal opportunity but it's surely not been continued that way. Government has been interfered with by lobby groups to the extent that all the wealth has been transferred into the hands of the wealthy. Supporting the agendas of the wealthy and the tea baggers is doing nothing but ensuring that doesn't change.

It's just amazing how so many ordinary people are supportive of the bagger agenda and working against their own best interests. Obama hate has to be the biggest problem and that won't disappear until Obama does. When that happens the bagger agenda will be defused completely I predict.

This could happen as early as when there is a prospect of a new president. Perhaps when the presidential campaigns get in full swing. The baggers and their supporters will be left with nothing to hate anymore and that will turn them into ordinary people who can understand that they need to improve their lot in life. It doesn't take much intelligence to figure out how, and that won't involve supporting the agenda of the Koch brothers!!
 
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Captain America said:
I agree 100% we should cut a LOT of fat out of government expenditures. It is out of hand and off the hook.
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I am glad we can find at least something to agree about....It is a start.

But...
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Ah, there it is....Always a 'but'...

...what I find puzzling is that some prefer to take the food out of babies mouths, cut education and/or infrastructure before we cut-off aid to foreign countries that aren't worth pissing on or closing tax loopholes (or outright hard-cash subsidies,) to some of the most profitable industries in the country.
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Straight to the talking point mischaracterizations eh? No one want's to "take food out of babies mouths"....That is a horribly unfair go to when ever liberals perceive the slightest cut to the out of control entitlement society. Nor, do we want to cut education, or infrastructure. Education should be a local entity, and infrastructure is constitutionally mandated. As for aid to foreign countries, I say go for it, but it is a microscopically small part of the overall budget. As for subsidies, there could be a fair conversation, but to throw it out there like you did, many jump on it as anti corporate babble.

I think we all agree that the spending needs to be cut. It's WHERE we cut that has the people divided.
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Well, everyone has their own sacred cow, the trick is to get back to the basics, and go from there.
 
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DiavoTheMiavo said:
Yes, and not paying $83.33 Billion a month over 12-months would not bankrupt us. There is still $1-Trillion in bills to pay. They can't even get together for $1.3-Trillion in spending cuts over 10-years, and you think we can handle that kind of cut in one year with no consequence. Like I said, I'm pretty much a moron, please explain how this would help our finances as a nation.
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Just because the problem has caused a situation that is hard to take, doesn't mean that we shouldn't try does it?
 
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The baggers and the extreme right are much to entrenched in their racist agendas of hate. Change will take a long time and so there is nothing for it but to laugh at Americans for what they are purposely doing to themselves.

If they eventually look to other countries for a recipe to success they will perhaps find their way out of their mess. It just happens to be exactly the opposite direction to which the baggers want to take you.
 
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j-mac said:
Just because the problem has caused a situation that is hard to take, doesn't mean that we shouldn't try does it?
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Well, I sure do not want to see what it is like ignoring a almost a third of our bills each month. Hard to take? $83.33-Billion a month is a little more than "hard to take." Where is it going to come from? Defense? Social Security? Medicare? The CDC? Corporate subsidies? Let's say "All of the above." OK, break it down for me, we stop paying for these things or scale them down greatly right this instant. Now, what we'd be doing then, is enacting grand and sweeping change on this nation the likes we have never seen before. That's seems a little marxist to me. The poor would get poorer . . . the middle class would become poor, and even the wealthy would suffer, unless of course you can show me how cutting $83.33-Billion out of the budget every month would work. I believe you are calling for it, so please, explain it to me so I understand it, my simple mind doesn't seem to "Get It."
 
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Kobie said:
I'm glad 8 out of the 10 people who live in Alaska liked Sarah Palin.
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Palin was a governor of a state without people, but lots of salmon, bear, deer, moose and misquitos. She was pretty much a glorified park ranger.
 
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DiavoTheMiavo said:
Well, I sure do not want to see what it is like ignoring a almost a third of our bills each month. Hard to take? $83.33-Billion a month is a little more than "hard to take." Where is it going to come from? Defense? Social Security? Medicare? The CDC? Corporate subsidies? Let's say "All of the above." OK, break it down for me, we stop paying for these things or scale them down greatly right this instant. Now, what we'd be doing then, is enacting grand and sweeping change on this nation the likes we have never seen before. That's seems a little marxist to me. The poor would get poorer . . . the middle class would become poor, and even the wealthy would suffer, unless of course you can show me how cutting $83.33-Billion out of the budget every month would work. I believe you are calling for it, so please, explain it to me so I understand it, my simple mind doesn't seem to "Get It."
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You're asking for an honest discussion. You won't get it! The best you'll get is suggestions that there is too much waste. The real truth is that the wealthy aren't paying taxes and the ordinary people are paying too much.

At least try to come to the understanding that the poor aren't trying to steal the rich's money. the system of government has already allowed the wealthy to steal the ordinary people's share. If Americans can't get to that understanding then there's little hope.
 
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DiavoTheMiavo said:
Well, I sure do not want to see what it is like ignoring a almost a third of our bills each month. Hard to take? $83.33-Billion a month is a little more than "hard to take." Where is it going to come from? Defense? Social Security? Medicare? The CDC? Corporate subsidies? Let's say "All of the above." OK, break it down for me, we stop paying for these things or scale them down greatly right this instant. Now, what we'd be doing then, is enacting grand and sweeping change on this nation the likes we have never seen before. That's seems a little marxist to me. The poor would get poorer . . . the middle class would become poor, and even the wealthy would suffer, unless of course you can show me how cutting $83.33-Billion out of the budget every month would work. I believe you are calling for it, so please, explain it to me so I understand it, my simple mind doesn't seem to "Get It."
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Well, I question your number, get it? So, unless you can show me that first, then we have nothing further to discuss get it?, other than your revealing that you are for endless borrowing on our children's future get it?, and continuing to print endless amounts of fiat currency,get it?
 
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upsideguy said:
Palin was a governor of a state without people, but lots of salmon, bear, deer, moose and misquitos. She was pretty much a glorified park ranger.
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Obviously a very dimwitted person who had good looks to get her into politics. A great example of the absolute ignorance of voters who are looking for a pretty face and nothing more. And right up the the level of VP!!! How can it get any worse than that? Could Americans ever make a gatepost stupid person president based on appearance alone?
 
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j-mac said:
Well, I question your number, get it? So, unless you can show me that first, then we have nothing further to discussget it?, other than your revealing that you are for endless borrowing on our children's futureget it?, and continuing to print endless amounts of fiat currency.get it?
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J . . . I used your numbers and a calculator. You supplied the $260-Billion in tax revenue and $25-Billion a month numbers. I just used a calculator. Now, unless you are saying you don't trust your own numbers . . . I would think you would agree with mine. Although once again, I am pretty stupid, so I could have used my calculator wrong. Get it?
 
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DiavoTheMiavo said:
J . . . I used your numbers and a calculator. You supplied the $260-Billion in tax revenue and $25-Billion a month numbers. I just used a calculator. Now, unless you are saying you don't trust your own numbers . . . I would think you would agree with mine. Although once again, I am pretty stupid, so I could have used my calculator wrong. Get it?
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If I have you wrong Dave, you are saying that there is 83 billion plus that would go unpaid right? That leaves roughly 70% of the current budget that could be paid, right? So where is the threat of default? No where. Are you really proposing that a 3.8 trillion dollar budget per year doesn't have 30% waste in it?
 
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Michael66 said:
Obviously a very dimwitted person who had good looks to get her into politics. A great example of the absolute ignorance of voters who are looking for a pretty face and nothing more. And right up the the level of VP!!! How can it get any worse than that? Could Americans ever make a gatepost stupid person president based on appearance alone?
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I never thought of Palin as stupid. I do think she is a reasonably intelligent women. That said, she appears intellectually lazy, which makes her ignorant. Either way, she achieved her Peter Principle (for those that know that reference) as head park ranger of the Alaska National Wildlife Preserve (which is formally know as the State of Alaska).
 
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