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I think that's the environment he was born into as a politician, he's just used it to his political advantage. The divisions go back, way back.

I concur.

It was the SOP of Karl Marx, Lennin, Stalin and of course Sahl Alinsky. Even Joseph Goebbels practiced it.
 
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Are you suggesting that I should hire Kobie to proof read every post I post ?
He say's he's a proof reader by profession and I have no reason to challenge him on that.

Get a life and don't nick-pic at everyone's post when you can't come up with a valid argument to support your views.

Nitpick.

Sorry, couldn't resist that one. :mrgreen:
 
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The only time Obama has ever visited the troops were only for photo ops. Never has Obama been with the troops without a camera being present.

President Clinton would mingle with the enlisted without cameras. He was trying to earn the respect of the troops. (For obvious reasons.)

G.W. Bush wouldn't allow pictures to be taken when meeting with the families of those who paid the ultimate sacrifice.

Ronald Reagan never needed a photo-op with the troops. He loved the U.S. military and those who served. And the U.S. military already knew it and they loved him. Reagan didn't even have to earn the respect of those who were serving or had served, he already had their respect.

Provide some sort of evidence that you're not making this up out of thin air. I have a pretty strong hunch you are, since how would you know if he did or didn't if there were no cameras there?
 
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Not a smart idea bringing up Kerry when it comes to military service. Receiving Purple Hearts for self inflicted wounds and not completing ones combat tour of duty and abandoning shipmates in combat doesn't go over well with veterans.

Kerry doesn't want to get swift-boated again.

And these are just bald-faced lies. You're sinking quick here.
 
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No. He was not.

PALIN'S ALASKAN SEPARATIST GROUP HATES AMERICA - CNN iReport

A quote from the AIP founder...
"The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government," Vogler said in the interview, in which he talked extensively about his desire for Alaskan secession, the key goal of the AIP. "And I won't be buried under their damn flag," Vogler continued in the interview, which also touched on his disappointment with the American judicial system. "I'll be buried in Dawson. And when Alaska is an independent nation they can bring my bones home."
 
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The vast majority of the troops have little respect for Obama as President and as their Commander in Chief.
Obama said he was going to use social engineering to change the face of the U.S. military. He's redefining the purpose and character of the U.S. military.

Name one other President in history that ordered Marines to remove the bolts from their rifles fearing a military coups on Obama's second inauguration ? You can't because only Obama has done it.

No other President has had such a high disapproval rating from the troops than Obama.

Military Times Poll

Proooooooooove it.
 
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I am sure this is out of context,:doh him and his wife are such great Americans...dontcha know?
PALIN'S ALASKAN SEPARATIST GROUP HATES AMERICA - CNN iReport

A quote from the AIP founder...
"The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government," Vogler said in the interview, in which he talked extensively about his desire for Alaskan secession, the key goal of the AIP. "And I won't be buried under their damn flag," Vogler continued in the interview, which also touched on his disappointment with the American judicial system. "I'll be buried in Dawson. And when Alaska is an independent nation they can bring my bones home."
 
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This was stupid crap they floated years ago and there is absolutely no truth to it. Course that dont stop them from floating it around, year after year and lie after lie.
Proooooooooove it.
 
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This was stupid crap they floated years ago and there is absolutely no truth to it. Course that dont stop them from floating it around, year after year and lie after lie.

APACHERAT has a tendency to post blatant and already-debunked lies about Obama, with no attribution, pretty much every time he posts.

“Disarmed Marines” at Inauguration Debunked | Veterans Today

The "disarmed Marines" story, just like all these other crackpot right-wing conspiracy theories about Obama, is a lie.
 
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There is so much to worry about in the US today, but the RW spends all its time worked up about mindless, mythological outrages, it used to call itself the party of morals and ethics, now lies are fare of the day, every day, year after year.
APACHERAT has a tendency to post blatant and already-debunked lies about Obama, with no attribution, pretty much every time he posts.

“Disarmed Marines” at Inauguration Debunked | Veterans Today

The "disarmed Marines" story, just like all these other crackpot right-wing conspiracy theories about Obama, is a lie.
 
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Palin and Cruz both photographed in front of an Oath Keepers flag.

For those of you who aren't familiar, this means neither will ever run for president. Sorry if some of you were hopeful.
 
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APACHERAT has a tendency to post blatant and already-debunked lies about Obama, with no attribution, pretty much every time he posts.

“Disarmed Marines” at Inauguration Debunked | Veterans Today

The "disarmed Marines" story, just like all these other crackpot right-wing conspiracy theories about Obama, is a lie.



You should take the time to research who your going to use as a source. :lamo
 
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You should take the time to research who your going to use as a source. :lamo

I'm not familiar with Veterans Today. (never even heard of this publication before now) Can you elaborate?
 
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You should take the time to research who your going to use as a source. :lamo

You are the one who posted a blatant lie; this site thoroughly debunks it. Sorry I'm not sorry for raining on your lie parade.

I'm not familiar with Veterans Today. (never even heard of this publication before now) Can you elaborate?

He's got nothing. The source is fine.
 
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I'm not familiar with Veterans Today. (never even heard of this publication before now) Can you elaborate?

Not a source I would cite.

Veterans Today - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veterans_Today‎
Veterans Today lists as its editorial board of directors former members of the U.S. military Gordon Duff (senior editor and chairman of the board), Major Bobby ...

The Anti-Defamation League characterizes Gordon Duff, the VT senior editor and chairman of the board, as a "anti-Semitic conspiracist." In a July 2010 essay on VT, Duff asserted that the "five dancing Israelis" arrested on 9/11 were part of a "team of Israeli intelligence agents" who remotely guided the planes into the World Trade Center with the knowledge of "top members of America's military." He added that America's security continues to be threatened "by a nefarious and disloyal group of Americans who have dual U.S./Israeli citizenship and who control government organizations and private companies." In a separate piece, he wrote that "the Israeli lobby" is "the most powerful and ruthless group in the world."[SUP][3][/SUP] The Southern Poverty Law Center also writes that Veterans Today propagates conspiracies about Israel orchestrating the September 11 attacks as well as about Holocaust Denial.[SUP][4][/SUP] Journalist Arnaud de Borchgrave described Gordon Duff in 2010 as "a 100 percent disabled Marine Vietnam veteran [who] states flatly that Sept. 11, 2001, was a CIA-Mossad conspiracy and that Osama bin Laden was not involved and died in 2001" and that audio and video recordings aired by Al-Jazeera after the attack were "Clever Israeli forgeries."[SUP][23][/SUP]
Two columnists for the National Post have criticized Veterans Today for publishing an article which they claimed "verges into Holocaust denial." The article, written by VT columnist J. Bruce Campbell in May 2011, states that:
“The holy gas chamber is a fake. Which makes the entire Holocaust story a fake. You can study it for a day or for a lifetime and your conclusion will be the same. There was never a plan for exterminating Jews and there was never an instrument. As Professor Robert Faurisson has asked for years, ‘Show me a gas chamber. Draw for me a gas chamber.’ It can’t be done because there was never such a thing.”
The author also writes that “the main purpose of keeping alive the Holocaust is to protect Jewish banking practices.”[SUP][24][/SUP][SUP][25][/SUP][SUP][26][/SUP]
According to the Anti-Defamation League, Veterans Today has promulgated the conspiracy theory that Israel orchestrated WikiLeaks as a public relations campaign. Gordon Duff has charged Julian Assange with cooperating with Israeli intelligence,[SUP][27][/SUP] and in an interview with the Israeli newspaper Haaretz, he said that "WikiLeaks is obviously concocted by an intelligence agency. It's a ham-handed action by Israel to do its public relations."[SUP][28][/SUP]
In September 2011, the University of Lethbridge initially congratulated a student, Josh Blakeney, for becoming a writer for VT shortly after his graduation. In response to subsequent criticism, the Dean of Graduate Studies, Dr. Robert Wood, stated that the congratulatory note was the result of an “administrative oversight" and added that "In my capacity as Dean of Graduate Studies, I unequivocally retract this congratulatory note." Dr. Wood also criticized Veterans Today, stating that "The anti-Semitic content that is periodically published in Veterans Today is morally repugnant, and it deeply offends the core principles of tolerance, respect, and citizenship upon which the University of Lethbridge is founded."[SUP][29][/SUP][SUP][30][/SUP][SUP][31][/SUP]
Veteran's Today financial editor Michael Harris was criticized for asserting in an interview on Press TV that December 2012 Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting was a "revenge killing" by Israel. The Anti-Defamation League responded stating "Veterans Today is known for promulgating some of the most outrageous anti-Israel and anti-Semitic conspiracy theories."[SUP][32][/SUP] Harris also alleged that Israeli "death squads" were responsible for the 2011 Tucson shooting, 2011 Norway attacks and 2012 Aurora shooting and that the "Jewish-owned and Jewish-controlled" Hollywood was responsible for perpetuating a "culture of violence" within the United States.[SUP][33][/SUP] A Washington Post story on the interviews notes that Harris "publicly associates with neo-Nazi groups".[SUP][34][/SUP][SUP][35][/SUP] The SPLC stated that Harris' comments indicated that VT "is now squarely in neo-Nazi territory."[SUP][36][/SUP]:peace
 
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If you actually read the article, rather than run screaming from the name of the site, you'll find information that debunks APACHERAT's lie.

It's not an opinion piece, for crying out loud, it's simply stating facts -- that the Secret Service has a longstanding policy that ALL military/police/other participants in the inauguration do not carrying functioning weaponry.
 
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If you actually read the article, rather than run screaming from the name of the site, you'll find information that debunks APACHERAT's lie.

It's not an opinion piece, for crying out loud, it's simply stating facts -- that the Secret Service has a longstanding policy that ALL military/police/other participants in the inauguration do not carrying functioning weaponry.

Doesn't look like that site has anything other than opinion pieces.:peace
 
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You are the one who posted a blatant lie; this site thoroughly debunks it. Sorry I'm not sorry for raining on your lie parade.



He's got nothing. The source is fine.

All photos of the Marines show the bolts were removed from their rifles.

There are just too many tens of thousands of Marines and soldiers who have been ordered to turn in their rifles to the armory any time Obama showed up for a photo-ops on military installations.

Even a few weeks ago it was revealed that why the Marines at the Washington Marine Barracks didn't respond to the shooting at the Washington DC Navy Yard was because they had no ammunition for their rifles.

What's next, gun free zones on military bases ?
 
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If you actually read the article, rather than run screaming from the name of the site, you'll find information that debunks APACHERAT's lie.

It's not an opinion piece, for crying out loud, it's simply stating facts -- that the Secret Service has a longstanding policy that ALL military/police/other participants in the inauguration do not carrying functioning weaponry.

He has an email supposedly from a Secret Service spokesperson stating as such. And I don't doubt for a moment that this is true, it seems like a totally logical policy for the Secret Service to have. **** goes wrong, you want the trained professionals who are in on the whole security apparatus responding. Having random soldiers decide to play hero is a recipe for friendly fire.

However, I can see why someone would question a simple bit of text from somebody like this. The credibility of a holocaust denier is damaged to the point where believing they'd fabricate an email like this is not an unreasonable thought.
 
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Doesn't look like that site has anything other than opinion pieces.:peace

Did you read the article I posted? Yes or no.
 
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All photos of the Marines show the bolts were removed from their rifles.

There are just too many tens of thousands of Marines and soldiers who have been ordered to turn in their rifles to the armory any time Obama showed up for a photo-ops on military installations.

Even a few weeks ago it was revealed that why the Marines at the Washington Marine Barracks didn't respond to the shooting at the Washington DC Navy Yard was because they had no ammunition for their rifles.

What's next, gun free zones on military bases ?

Please provide sources for your right-wing drivel.
 
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All photos of the Marines show the bolts were removed from their rifles.

There are just too many tens of thousands of Marines and soldiers who have been ordered to turn in their rifles to the armory any time Obama showed up for a photo-ops on military installations.

Even a few weeks ago it was revealed that why the Marines at the Washington Marine Barracks didn't respond to the shooting at the Washington DC Navy Yard was because they had no ammunition for their rifles.

What's next, gun free zones on military bases ?

Erm, you're misunderstanding the argument here.

It's not that somebody is claiming the marines had bolts in the rifles. He's saying this is standard practice and has been for ages. And it does seem to me like something secret service would do. Ceremonial troops aren't there for security, they're there for ceremony. If something goes wrong, having thousands of unbriefed, armed marines with no real command structure or orders regarding how to respond is likely to make things worse, not better.

That said, I'd wait to hear it from a better source.
 
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Bachmann--Palin--Gohmert-Cruz..Taken Care of Business..
And now the garbage out of Larry Klayman right after Cruz and Palin witch will not be walked back by GOP.
Doesn't look like that site has anything other than opinion pieces.:peace
 
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