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    Re: Vets take down barricades in Washington

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    It really is a shame that people like you ignore results and resort to diversion making claims of right wing personal attacks as if that doesn't occur on the left as well.
    I don't know if you've been paying attention, but the last about 20 pages of this thread have been me pointing out that no type of rhetoric is exclusive province of the "right" OR the "left."

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    This is nothing more than typical liberalism and radical liberalism to divert from the failures of the liberal agenda and policies.
    Non sequitur, disqualified.

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    Results matter, not rhetoric
    The last president we had with results was Clinton.

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    so let me know when you think those 22 million unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers are going back to work full time paying taxes? Let me know when you think we will get back to strong economic growth? Let me know when you think Obama will address the staggering debt he has generated? Keep talking about the things that don't matter while ignoring the things that do.
    I'm going to guess you answer is "when the Republicans are back in control." I disagree, because I think the Republicans and Democrats are both terrible.

    I don't know when the things you ask are going to happen. But I'll be damned if I'm going to sit there and let people like you claim that all of our problems are due to "leftism," because that's a steaming heap of bullsh*t.

    You seem to be operating under the assumption that I'm some fan of Obama.
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    Re: Vets take down barricades in Washington

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    Classic. LOL. The "National Socialists" did what they did but they really were not socialists. No, no. They were not "collectivists" at all. LOL.
    Not really, no. But welcome back to the party.
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    Re: Cruz, Palin join protesters at WWII Memorial

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Because, the crux of the program is to cut 1% per year from spending and balance the budget in 6 years...Why is that a bad thing?
    So, I guess we should ignore the fact we are supposed to operate the government with a budget less than $1-Trillion a year.

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    Re: Vets take down barricades in Washington

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    It's insane that some people are willing to give up their liberty and freedom to join or support a "collectivist" political agenda when the historical results of such leftist ideology is horrible. And the further left a country goes, the further results worsen. "Right wing dictators"? LOL. Dictators are a left wing idea, for the good of the masses is one of the usual lies they tell. Of course it's unachievable with a government in firm control of everything.
    Have you ever considered studying even a little bit of political science instead of just making it up as you go by indulging in these very childish and inane statements?
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    Re: Vets take down barricades in Washington

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Ok, I accept that I guess.
    Well good, we're getting somewhere.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Family should be off limits, (except to say that a first lady, an adult, puts herself into world, or domestic affairs) children of the President should never be fodder. Having said that, it is not surprising that your MediaMatters account of what actually happened is totally wrong, and cherry picked to attack someone they hate. Here is the real story behind that flap....
    Mea culpa. To be fair to both Rush (GNNNH) and MMFA, to be honest, Media Matters is quite often very accurate. Yes, they are partisan, they have a clear agenda, and generally their audio/video is fully in context. This, however, is an old clip and it's obvious on a second glance that it's not in context, so I'll wave the white flag on that.

    However, given the context of the discussion, I think some of the attacks on Michelle Obama for trying to help parents have their kids not be fat slugs are kind of appalling.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    As for "leaving Laura Bush pretty much alone" that is just not true, no more so than me saying that conservatives leave Michelle Obama pretty much alone.
    A few Daily Kos jerkoffs made fun of Laura Bush for running someone over when she was in college, but let's get serious. Laura got off light for a first lady. Nancy Reagan was treated worse, but to be fair, Nancy Reagan was a weirdo.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    But the record is set straight now, and I would suggest that you not try and use MediaMatters for your supposed "truths" they are just not reliable for that....
    They're actually pretty reliable, but I'll fully admit that link screwed the pooch.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    MediaMatters are little more than progressive political hacks, selectively hatcheting only what conservatives say in order to attack them, in many cases a childish distortion of actually what was said or done. They are no more reliable than someone on the right using sites that do the same thing in the inverse, and it speaks directly to your credibility to so easily be drawn into this particular lie.
    Again, yes, MMFA is partisan as hell, it's in their mission statement. But for all the attempted debunking of that site that I've seen, very few tries actually pass muster. This is one of them; but again, it's a clip that predates the existence of the site by what, 15 years?
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    Re: Cruz, Palin join protesters at WWII Memorial

    Quote Originally Posted by DiavoTheMiavo View Post
    So, I guess we should ignore the fact we are supposed to operate the government with a budget less than $1-Trillion a year.
    No, it means what I just said....Cut 1% of spending, and balance the damned budget...Why shouldn't we have a balanced budget? Everyone I know of has to do that, why shouldn't they?
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    Re: Vets take down barricades in Washington

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    1. Stop right there. There is no "collectivist political agenda" in the U.S. At least not one that has any traction in mainstream politics.

    2. Holy crap. So now "dicators" are sole province of the "left."

    Hitler was a right-wing dictator. So was Mussolini, so was Franco. Period, discussion over. You have NO IDEA what you are talking about. NONE.
    No thanks, I'll continue as I wish. You are not my leftist "dear leader", "fuhrer", "comrade chairman" or anything thing else to me.

    Obamadon'tcare is not "collectivist"? Explain then how you can choose not to fall under it's control and remain an American citizen.

    Hitler, Mussolini, Franc were leftists. Period. But the conversation can and will continue if people wish. It's always a leftist idea to place restrictions on free speech. Obama and others have considered and tried to do it against Rush so I understand why you feel entitled to place restrictions on others. That "damn constitution" got in their way though. It's in your way too.
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    Re: Vets take down barricades in Washington

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    I don't know if you've been paying attention, but the last about 20 pages of this thread have been me pointing out that no type of rhetoric is exclusive province of the "right" OR the "left."



    Non sequitur, disqualified.



    The last president we had with results was Clinton.



    I'm going to guess you answer is "when the Republicans are back in control." I disagree, because I think the Republicans and Democrats are both terrible.

    I don't know when the things you ask are going to happen. But I'll be damned if I'm going to sit there and let people like you claim that all of our problems are due to "leftism," because that's a steaming heap of bullsh*t.

    You seem to be operating under the assumption that I'm some fan of Obama.
    Your opinion noted but obviously the following doesn't matter

    Labor Force Statistics from the Current Population Survey
    Original Data Value

    Series Id: LNS14000000
    Seasonally Adjusted
    Series title: (Seas) Unemployment Rate
    Labor force status: Unemployment rate
    Type of data: Percent or rate
    Age: 16 years and over
    Years: 1980 to 2013

    Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
    2001 4.2 4.2 4.3 4.4 4.3 4.5 4.6 4.9 5.0 5.3 5.5 5.7
    2002 5.7 5.7 5.7 5.9 5.8 5.8 5.8 5.7 5.7 5.7 5.9 6.0
    2003 5.8 5.9 5.9 6.0 6.1 6.3 6.2 6.1 6.1 6.0 5.8 5.7
    2004 5.7 5.6 5.8 5.6 5.6 5.6 5.5 5.4 5.4 5.5 5.4 5.4
    2005 5.3 5.4 5.2 5.2 5.1 5.0 5.0 4.9 5.0 5.0 5.0 4.9
    2006 4.7 4.8 4.7 4.7 4.6 4.6 4.7 4.7 4.5 4.4 4.5 4.4
    2007 4.6 4.5 4.4 4.5 4.4 4.6 4.7 4.6 4.7 4.7 4.7 5.0
    2008 5.0 4.9 5.1 5.0 5.4 5.6 5.8 6.1 6.1 6.5 6.8 7.3

    2009 7.8 8.3 8.7 9.0 9.4 9.5 9.5 9.6 9.8 10.0 9.9 9.9
    2010 9.8 9.8 9.9 9.9 9.6 9.4 9.5 9.5 9.5 9.5 9.8 9.3
    2011 9.1 9.0 8.9 9.0 9.0 9.1 9.0 9.0 9.0 8.9 8.6 8.5
    2012 8.3 8.3 8.2 8.1 8.2 8.2 8.2 8.1 7.8 7.9 7.8 7.8
    2013 7.9 7.7 7.6 7.5 7.6 7.6 7.4 7.3
    Then of course there is GDP numbers which of course have been distorted by liberals.

    Table 1.1.5. Gross Domestic Product
    [Billions of dollars]
    Bureau of Economic Analysis
    Last Revised on: September 26, 2013 - Next Release Date October 30, 2013

    Line 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 20
    Gross domestic product 10289.7 10625.3 10980.2 11512.2 12277 13095.4 13857.9 14480.3 14720.3
    So GDP growing 4.5 trillion dollars is a bad thing? Clinton had a 3.5 trillion growth and Obama's is the worst of the three.

    Then there is this

    Labor Force Statistics from the Current Population Survey
    Original Data Value

    Series Id: LNU05026645
    Not Seasonally Adjusted
    Series title: (Unadj) Not in Labor Force, Searched For Work and Available, Discouraged Reasons For Not Currently Looking
    Labor force status: Not in labor force
    Type of data: Number in thousands
    Age: 16 years and over
    Job desires/not in labor force: Want a job now
    Reasons not in labor force: Discouragement over job prospects (Persons who believe no job is available.)
    Years: 2002 to 2012

    Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
    2002 328 375 330 320 414 342 405 378 392 359 385 403
    2003 449 450 474 437 482 478 470 503 388 462 457 433
    2004 432 484 514 492 476 478 504 534 412 429 392 442
    2005 515 485 480 393 392 476 499 384 362 392 404 451
    2006 396 386 451 381 323 481 428 448 325 331 349 274
    2007 442 375 381 399 368 401 367 392 276 320 349 363
    2008 467 396 401 412 400 420 461 381 467 484 608 642

    2009 734 731 685 740 792 793 796 758 706 808 861 929
    2010 1065 1204 994 1197 1083 1207 1185 1110 1209 1219 1282 1318
    2011 993 1020 921 989 822 982 1119 977 1037 967 1096 945
    2012 1059 1006 865 968 830 821 852 844 802 813 979 1068
    2013 804 885 803 835 780 1027 988
    Still want to claim that Bush didn't have positive economic results? Those liberal talking points of yours are full of holes that only Obamabots believe. By the way, Republicans controlled the Congress from January 2003 to January 2007 so yes, put them back in charge

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    Re: Vets take down barricades in Washington

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Well good, we're getting somewhere.



    Mea culpa. To be fair to both Rush (GNNNH) and MMFA, to be honest, Media Matters is quite often very accurate. Yes, they are partisan, they have a clear agenda, and generally their audio/video is fully in context. This, however, is an old clip and it's obvious on a second glance that it's not in context, so I'll wave the white flag on that.

    However, given the context of the discussion, I think some of the attacks on Michelle Obama for trying to help parents have their kids not be fat slugs are kind of appalling.



    A few Daily Kos jerkoffs made fun of Laura Bush for running someone over when she was in college, but let's get serious. Laura got off light for a first lady. Nancy Reagan was treated worse, but to be fair, Nancy Reagan was a weirdo.



    They're actually pretty reliable, but I'll fully admit that link screwed the pooch.



    Again, yes, MMFA is partisan as hell, it's in their mission statement. But for all the attempted debunking of that site that I've seen, very few tries actually pass muster. This is one of them; but again, it's a clip that predates the existence of the site by what, 15 years?
    First of all, thanks for your admission on this clip of Limbaugh, and the resulting smear, being totally false..It takes at the least a shred of honesty to admit that...I appreciate that.

    But, MM is probably the worst site in this country for lying about in general about republicans, or anyone that goes against liberal orthodoxy...They are rank propagandists, and not even good ones.
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    Re: Vets take down barricades in Washington

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    Hitler, Mussolini, Franc were leftists. Period.
    Wrong. You're wrong. You have no clue what you're talking about. None whatsoever.
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