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    Re: Cruz, Palin join protesters at WWII Memorial

    Nobody to the left of anything fears anything from Sarah Palin. However, I will be damned if I'm going to watch her constantly lie her ass off and not call her on it.

    Sarah Palin is living proof that an absolute know-nothing jackass can get elected to a governor's seat. She's accomplished literally nothing else.
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    Re: Vets take down barricades in Washington

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Prove it was mainstream. And I am quite familiar with the abuse of Sarah Palin and her family. I pounded EXTREMIST liberals who attacked Bristol Palin back in 2008 on this very site.

    Grant... you just keep walking into them.
    Letterman made a tasteless crack about Alex Rodriguez and Bristol, who was of legal age and was attempting to be a spokeswoman for teen abstinence while having just had a kid fathered while she was a teen, which, of course, the persecution-complex wing of the right-wing bull**** machine somehow tried to morph into an attack on one of Governor Palin's underage daughters. Even though it was patently obvious that wasn't the daughter Letterman was talking about.
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    Re: Cruz, Palin join protesters at WWII Memorial

    Quote Originally Posted by DiavoTheMiavo View Post
    Not sure how I am misreading it. National income verses national revenue . . . whats the difference?
    Because, the crux of the program is to cut 1% per year from spending and balance the budget in 6 years...Why is that a bad thing?
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    Re: Vets take down barricades in Washington

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Letterman made a tasteless crack about Alex Rodriguez and Bristol, who was of legal age and was attempting to be a spokeswoman for teen abstinence while having just had a kid fathered while she was a teen, which, of course, the persecution-complex wing of the right-wing bull**** machine somehow tried to morph into an attack on one of Governor Palin's underage daughters. Even though it was patently obvious that wasn't the daughter Letterman was talking about.
    So what? Why is the family fair game to start with?
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    Re: Vets take down barricades in Washington

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So what? Why is the family fair game to start with?
    1. I don't particularly think it is. That's why I referred to the joke as "tasteless."

    2. Rush Limbaugh, on TV, after the Clintons had gotten a cat, referred to Chelsea Clinton as the "White House dog."

    http://mediamatters.org/blog/2012/03...elevise/184523

    Family should be off limits ... for all that conservatives bitch about how bad the "left" treated Bush, they pretty much left Laura Bush alone. Conservative rimjobs have been utterly awful in how they've treated Michelle Obama, who literally has done nothing to harm anyone in any conceivable capacity.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Vets take down barricades in Washington

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    So there are no right-wing dictators with whom dissent isn't permitted and rights are limited? That's absurd.

    You're acting as if "freedom" is far right, and everything gets progressively less "free" as you move left. That's insane.
    It's insane that some people are willing to give up their liberty and freedom to join or support a "collectivist" political agenda when the historical results of such leftist ideology is horrible. And the further left a country goes, the further results worsen. "Right wing dictators"? LOL. Dictators are a left wing idea, for the good of the masses is one of the usual lies they tell. Of course it's unachievable with a government in firm control of everything.
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    Re: Vets take down barricades in Washington

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    It's insane that some people are willing to give up their liberty and freedom to join or support a "collectivist" political agenda when the historical results of such leftist ideology is horrible. And the further left a country goes, the further results worsen. "Right wing dictators"? LOL. Dictators are a left wing idea, for the good of the masses is one of the usual lies they tell. Of course it's unachievable with a government in firm control of everything.
    1. Stop right there. There is no "collectivist political agenda" in the U.S. At least not one that has any traction in mainstream politics.

    2. Holy crap. So now "dicators" are sole province of the "left."

    Hitler was a right-wing dictator. So was Mussolini, so was Franco. Period, discussion over. You have NO IDEA what you are talking about. NONE.
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    Re: Vets take down barricades in Washington

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    I know what Nazi means. "National Socialist." But their policies certainly weren't.
    Classic. LOL. The "National Socialists" did what they did but they really were not socialists. No, no. They were not "collectivists" at all. LOL.
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    Re: Vets take down barricades in Washington

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    1. I don't particularly think it is. That's why I referred to the joke as "tasteless."
    Ok, I accept that I guess.

    2. Rush Limbaugh, on TV, after the Clintons had gotten a cat, referred to Chelsea Clinton as the "White House dog."

    http://mediamatters.org/blog/2012/03...elevise/184523

    Family should be off limits ... for all that conservatives bitch about how bad the "left" treated Bush, they pretty much left Laura Bush alone. Conservative rimjobs have been utterly awful in how they've treated Michelle Obama, who literally has done nothing to harm anyone in any conceivable capacity.
    Family should be off limits, (except to say that a first lady, an adult, puts herself into world, or domestic affairs) children of the President should never be fodder. Having said that, it is not surprising that your MediaMatters account of what actually happened is totally wrong, and cherry picked to attack someone they hate. Here is the real story behind that flap....

    All right, that’s Franken’s story. Let’s take a closer look. Before we delve into the more egregious violations of the truth, let’s start with his subtle deception.

    Franken provides the date of “1993″. That is false. The only incident resembling Franken’s account took place Nov. 6, 1992. Anyone who tells you otherwise is confused or lying. Or both.

    The date might seem like an insignificant detail, but it is important to the context. Nov. 6, 1992 was immediately after the election, when there was still a great deal of excitement. The new first family-to-be was a huge topic of discussion. Chelsea had been shielded during the campaign so most people didn’t know a lot about her or even what she looked like. Switching the date to 1993 is a subtle, artful sleight that prevents Franken’s readers from seeing the need for Rush to identify Chelsea to his audience.

    Franken solidifies the false date by claiming, falsely of course, that the incident was “shortly after Clinton took office” when clearly it was not.

    Then, he fabricated details of the incident. Originally there was no mention of the cat. Rush could not have said the line “coyly”, as Franken claimed, considering Rush never said it at all. All of the supposed quotes from Rush are fake.
    All of them.
    The following is what actually happened:
    On his TV show in 1992, a few days after the Presidential election, Rush Limbaugh was reviewing In/Out lists (a popular fad at the time):

    Limbaugh on the show: "In today’s New York Daily News right here… it’s the obligatory in-out list. Every time there’s a massive change somewhere, people are in, people are out. I’m now out. It says about me on here, Rush Limbaugh, loud-mouthed conservative and Bush favorite. He’s out."

    Rush commented that most of the other things on the days’ list were not funny, but that “one of them in particular” was. Rush quoted from the David Hinckley article:

    “In: A cute kid in the White House. Out: Cute dog in the White House.”
    Could– could we see the cute kid? Let’s take a look at– see who is the cute kid in the White House.
    A picture of the “cute dog” (Millie) appeared on the screen instead of the “cute kid” (Chelsea).

    Rush immediately said

    "No, no, no. That’s not the kid."

    Then a picture of Chelsea Clinton came on the screen and Rush said:

    "That’s– that’s the kid."

    Rush apologized several times and told a story about how he had learned early in his career the importance of not making fun of someone’s appearance. He then apologized again and said:

    "I’m– I hope you will forgive me. I’m fatigued. I’m tired…"

    Before breaking to a commercial, Rush asked the audience what he could do to make amends for the incident and, in an odd, spontaneous joke, proceeded to spank himself.

    Was Rush trying to make the most of a mistake, or was the whole thing scripted—apologies and all? The fact that Franken had to use a fake version of events to argue his case tells us a lot. The real version has Rush talking about a “cute dog” as well as a “cute kid,” obviously not a set-up for calling the kid a dog.

    It is not an assault on Chelsea, as her picture only comes up in the context of correcting the error.

    Franken set up a fake joke, falsely accused Rush of trying to tell it and then complained that the joke would only make sense if Rush put up the picture on purpose. The question of, “what picture was supposed to come up?” is not ironclad, it is ironic. Rush replaced the picture.

    Rush has always maintained the incident was an accident. On his show four days later, Rush offered an explanation to his audience. First, the show played, “Who’s sorry now” in the background and Limbaugh pointed to himself. Then he said:

    "Ladies and gentlemen, I’m sorry. Let me tell you very quickly what happened last Friday night. There was a new in list and new out list that was published in the newspaper. The writer said in, cute kid in the White House; out, cute dog in the White House. Could we show the cute dog in the White House who’s out, and they put up a picture of Chelsea Clinton back in the crew. And many of you people think that we did it on purpose to make a cheap comment on her appearance. And I’m terribly sorry. I don’t–look, that takes no talent whatsoever and I have a lot of talent. I don’t need to get laughs by commenting on people’s looks, especially a young child who’s done nothing wrong. I mean, she can’t control the way she looks. And we really–we do not–we do not do that on this kind of show. So put a picture up of her now and so we can square this."

    They then showed the picture of Chelsea Clinton. She had a displeased look on her face, as if to show that she was not too happy with the mistake.

    Rush continued:

    "All right. We’re sorry. We didn’t intend to hurt her feelings. We’ll be back with our final segment right after this. Don’t go away."

    This apology offers considerable insight into what happened. Rush indicates that he had asked to see the “cute dog”. That is not what happened on the show, but is probably what had been planned–which explains why Rush has it backward. If Rush was supposed to ask to see the “cute dog” first, that would explain why the technician put up the picture. They had it cued first. In addition, if they had the pictures cued according to the names “Chelsea” and “Millie,” it is even easier to see how a mistake could have happened. Both are female names and like most of America at the time, the technician probably did not know Chelsea by name.

    As for Franken’s question of why, if it was an accident, Rush did not fix the problem, the actual context again has the answer. Rush corrected the initial error right away and apologized several times — thereby fixing the problem. There was no need to go back and re-tape a different sequence of events. Mistakes that don’t violate FCC regulations are routinely left in TV talk shows, most notably late-night shows like Jay Leno or Conan O’Brien or Rush Limbaugh’s show.

    Besides, Rush gave us his reasoning in 1990 after an embarrassing incident had occurred when he was hosting a show for Pat Sajak. Rush said,

    "Since I as a broadcaster on radio and now on television believe in behaving in an honest fashion, not faking anything and allowing whatever happens to happen, uh, you saw what happened…" Many other shows would have attempted to keep you from seeing what happened in this studio tonight. It happened; we don’t hide behind it…
    It is worth noting that, interestingly, there was an incident– in 1993– where Rush did discuss Chelsea Clinton’s appearance. Here’s what he said:

    "You know, she’s [Hillary Clinton] got an interview out in Redbook magazine that just came out this week. And in it she says that she thinks it’s very childish of shows like “Saturday Night Live” to make fun of Chelsea. And I agree. I mean, I don’t think you should take shots at a little kid, especially the way a little kid looks and… Well, they do it on “Saturday Night Live” and they’re really mean and vicious about it. And I think that it’s worth pointing out that the liberals who run “Saturday Night Live” are the ones doing that. They always say that people like me make fun of the way people look, and we haven’t done that; and-and so she [Hillary] talks about that…"

    (Rush Limbaugh TV Show, February 12, 1993)

    What, you may ask, was Rush talking about? Well, a Saturday Night Live skit had Madonna making a sexual advance toward Chelsea Clinton (played by a dressed-up Julia Sweeney, the actress who also played the androgynous character “Pat”). It was outrageous. The following is from a transcript of the show, which aired on 1/16/1993:
    [Clinton gives Madonna the "Call Me!" signal again, but she shakes hr fingers "No, no", and acknowledges Chelsea instead, who is pleasantly surprised by the outcome]

    Yes, Hillary had in fact complained about Saturday Night Live, where her daughter’s appearance was being viciously mocked.

    As you may recall, whether he was directly involved in the skit or not, Al Franken was a cast member, a writer and a co-producer for the show at the time they were making fun of Chelsea’s appearance– when Hillary complained about it.

    Rush Limbaugh of course has not been the only conservative to be attacked unfairly, but he has been attacked more than perhaps any other.

    Fact Checking Al Franken
    As for "leaving Laura Bush pretty much alone" that is just not true, no more so than me saying that conservatives leave Michelle Obama pretty much alone.

    But the record is set straight now, and I would suggest that you not try and use MediaMatters for your supposed "truths" they are just not reliable for that....

    MediaMatters are little more than progressive political hacks, selectively hatcheting only what conservatives say in order to attack them, in many cases a childish distortion of actually what was said or done. They are no more reliable than someone on the right using sites that do the same thing in the inverse, and it speaks directly to your credibility to so easily be drawn into this particular lie.
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    Re: Vets take down barricades in Washington

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    1. Stop right there. There is no "collectivist political agenda" in the U.S. At least not one that has any traction in mainstream politics.

    2. Holy crap. So now "dicators" are sole province of the "left."

    Hitler was a right-wing dictator. So was Mussolini, so was Franco. Period, discussion over. You have NO IDEA what you are talking about. NONE.
    It really is a shame that people like you ignore results and resort to diversion making claims of right wing personal attacks as if that doesn't occur on the left as well. This is nothing more than typical liberalism and radical liberalism to divert from the failures of the liberal agenda and policies. Results matter, not rhetoric so let me know when you think those 22 million unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers are going back to work full time paying taxes? Let me know when you think we will get back to strong economic growth? Let me know when you think Obama will address the staggering debt he has generated? Keep talking about the things that don't matter while ignoring the things that do.

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