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    Re: Vets take down barricades in Washington

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Sorry, but white nationalist neo-Nazi outfits don't qualify.
    Hard core leftists is what they are.
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    Re: Vets take down barricades in Washington

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    Hard core leftists is what they are.
    LOL WHAT. Neo-Nazis are "hard core leftists?" What color is the sky in your world?
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    Re: Vets take down barricades in Washington

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    That is ridiculous. Shall we take a look at how some conservatives address homosexuals? Want to know how some conservatives address blacks or Jews? Check out stormfront... unless you think that the people there are liberals.
    You are soooo wrong about anti-Semitism being from Conservatives. In this country the greatest supporters of Israel are Conservatives.

    The closer the vein of Socialism the greater the anti-Semitism throughout the world.

    Here's a publications making the point.

    The Socialist Roots of Modern Anti-Semitism: Newsroom: The Independent Institute


    But there is a slew of reading material at this website

    Left-Wing Antisemitism


    Nazism isn't owned by any particular party.

    Common Ground between Right and Left

    Today's German anti-Semitism is deeply connected to the Nazi period and the wish to expunge guilt and responsibility for dealing with it. Right-wing extremism, neo-Nazism, and extreme conservatism seem "naturally" linked to denial or minimalization of the Holocaust, or calling for a new one. As elsewhere in Europe, a relatively new "brotherhood" has emerged in Germany between the extreme Right and fundamentalist Islam.

    Anti-Zionism, however - which is not mere criticism of Israeli policies, but the denial of the Jewish people's right to live in their own state - also links leftists and rightists. Since the Six Day War of 1967, both the extreme and the mainstream Left in Europe have shown strong anti-Zionist tendencies, not always distinguishable from anti-Semitism. Although leftist anti-Zionism seemed to decline after the fall of Communism in 1990, it was reanimated by the Second Intifada and the antiglobalization movement, which is today a main source of leftist anti-Semitism.

    In a May 2002 survey in the weekly magazine Der Spiegel, 25% agreed that "what the state of Israel does to the Palestinians is no different than what the Nazis did during the Third Reich to the Jews."2 A new scholarly book analyzes how deeply anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism are rooted in German society.3 Since 1989, united Germany seems to stand on two main pillars: a strong anti-American and anti-Israeli attitude.


    The Postwar, Pre-1967 Roots

    Anti-Semitism was never exclusive to the Right; Communism, for its part, often vilified Jews as capitalists. Communism in East Germany, as elsewhere, denied the right to practice the Jewish religion and sought to eradicate religion in general, including Judaism. East Germany's anti-Semitic policies first became evident in January 1953 when the Stasi - the state security service - confiscated documents of the Jewish communities, searched the homes of Jewish leaders, and spoke of a "Zionist conspiracy." After the Six Day War, East Germany officially adopted an anti-Zionist stance. However, no serious data on East German anti-Semitism is available before the reunification in 1989.

    Although West German left-wing anti-Semitism also increased steadily after the Six Day War, before then the West German Left supported Israel generally, and specifically the Wiedergutmachung (Reparations Agreement of 1953) and the establishment of diplomatic relations in 1965. This friendliness was, however, based on an idealization of Israel, kibbutzim, and pioneering and was not on genuinely firm ground.4 Opposition to the conservative government of Chancellor Konrad Adenauer also played a role in this left-wing philo-Semitism.

    During the 1960s, the West German Left divided into a more "conservative" wing and a New Left trend. Whereas Chancellor Willy Brandt was said to be a true and unwavering friend of Israel,5 many young leftists took radical positions and opposed Brandt's "establishment" Social Democratic Party. In 1966 they founded the Nonparliamentary Opposition (APO), a popular movement that sought to "renew" German politics from the outside. Many of its members and supporters later showed sympathy for the RAF, a leftist terrorist movement that had ties to the PLO and whose cadres trained in terrorist camps in Lebanon.

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    Re: Vets take down barricades in Washington

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    LOL WHAT. Neo-Nazis are "hard core leftists?" What color is the sky in your world?
    This is the new myth of the right wing wackjobs - that Nazis were actually leftists. Apparently they are unaware that the first people the Nazis put in concentration camps - even before the Jews - were the union organizers and the Socialists.

    I think they tie this lunatic concept to the fact that Nazi is short for National Socialists - which in their tiny pea brains makes them leftists. By this logic, Iraq's Republican Guard were Republicans.
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    Re: Vets take down barricades in Washington

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    This is the new myth of the right wing wackjobs - that Nazis were actually leftists. Apparently they are unaware that the first people the Nazis put in concentration camps - even before the Jews - were the union organizers and the Socialists.

    I think they tie this lunatic concept to the fact that Nazi is short for National Socialists - which in their tiny pea brains makes them leftists. By this logic, Iraq's Republican Guard were Republicans.
    I've long held the position that for many on the right, the word "liberal," "left" or "leftist" means less "actual liberal thought" and more "things that give me a mad."
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    Re: Vets take down barricades in Washington

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    I've long held the position that for many on the right, the word "liberal," "left" or "leftist" means less "actual liberal thought" and more "things that give me a mad."

    Having joined a tribe called "conservative", they need to identify the enemy tribe which they call "liberal".

    It has everything to do with the need to belong to an easily identified group and almost nothing to do with any sort of coherent ideology.
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    Re: Vets take down barricades in Washington

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Having joined a tribe called "conservative", they need to identify the enemy tribe which they call "liberal".

    It has everything to do with the need to belong to an easily identified group and almost nothing to do with any sort of coherent ideology.
    And if they're in the "Very Conservative" tribe, hoo boy. Most of those types, you need two hands to count the number of times they'll use "liberal" or "leftist" in their average post.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Vets take down barricades in Washington

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    And if they're in the "Very Conservative" tribe, hoo boy. Most of those types, you need two hands to count the number of times they'll use "liberal" or "leftist" in their average post.
    Well, they don't need their hands, anyway. They receive all the programming they need from their radio demagogues, so never need their hands to turn the dial.
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    Re: Vets take down barricades in Washington

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Well, they don't need their hands, anyway. They receive all the programming they need from their radio demagogues, so never need their hands to turn the dial.
    No actually those who study history understand Nazism comes in many flavors and is not a left or right thing.
    And those who also study history know today this new anti-Semitic movement is tied to the Socialist agenda.

    Here's a quote for you all to chew on

    Auschwitz meant that six million Jews were killed, and thrown on the waste-heap of Europe, for what they were considered: money-Jews. Finance capital and the banks, the hard core of the system of imperialism and capitalism, had turned the hatred of men against money and exploitation, and against the Jews. . . . Antisemitism is really a hatred of capitalism.
    —Ulrike Meinhof, left-wing German terrorist of the 1970s

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    Re: Vets take down barricades in Washington

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    No actually those who study history understand Nazism comes in many flavors and is not a left or right thing.
    And those who also study history know today this new anti-Semitic movement is tied to the Socialist agenda.

    Here's a quote for you all to chew on
    We're off the Nazi thing. Those of us who know better know that Nazism pretty much transcends the left-right dichotomy. It's not even remotely what Gardener was talking about.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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