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    Re: Cruz, Palin join protesters at WWII Memorial

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    Yes, I know, bea.gov, bls.gov, and Treasury data isn't real but rather manipulated to show what you want it to show. Seems like it was good enough for Clinton but not so good now that Obama is in the WH. Wonder why?
    Someone is pretty hyped up today

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    Re: Cruz, Palin join protesters at WWII Memorial

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Let me correct that: The revenues are NOT collected in some steady stream. Lew made that clear in the letter you did not read.
    Neither is the debt service on the debt paid every day. There is more than enough money to fund the monthly debt service.

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    Re: Cruz, Palin join protesters at WWII Memorial

    Quote Originally Posted by DiavoTheMiavo View Post
    More like 33%, but that is neither here nor there . . . because even though there just may be that much waste . . . who determines where the cuts come from tomorrow? Not one person has said what we are going to cut this very instant to make this possible. This very instant . . . right now, come up with $83.33-Billion in cuts, a month, for the next few years. Again, let's say we do what you are calling for, tomorrow we don't support the following government entities ______________________________________ (Please fill in the blank).
    I think you are maybe looking at it wrong...No one says that any single entire entity has to be eliminated for it to work. But, come on man, the reported number of furlough's for the shutdown were that some 800,000 non essential government employees were told to stay home, and that only shut down in essence 17% to 20% of government activities....It is things like this that make one wonder what else is being wasted?

    Further, Connie Mack last year came up with what he calls "the Penny plan".... Have you heard of that?

    1. A Plan that Works

    The One Cent Solution is beautifully simple: If the government cuts one cent out of every dollar of its total spending (excluding interest payments) each year for five years, and then caps overall federal spending at 18 percent of national income from then on, we can:

    Reduce federal spending by $7.5 trillion over 10 years.
    Balance the budget by 2019.
    Moreover, instead of using inflated budget “baselines” to claim nonexistent spending “cuts” a common practice in Washington, the One Cent Solution calls for real cuts. Under the One Cent plan, the sum of all discretionary and entitlement spending will have to go down from one year to the next, by one percent or more.

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    The “Penny Plan” legislation would cap overall spending to fit within the One Cent Solution targets. The legislation then calls on Congress to evaluate all areas of the federal government to make certain that future spending fits under the caps.

    Under the One Cent Solution or “Penny Plan”, not all programs must be cut by one percent. Congress may determine that some programs are too critical to cut, but that would require that other programs be reduced more so that the total amount cut is equal to one cent for every dollar each year for six years.

    For example, let’s say the federal budget only had three programs, each with an annual budget of $1.00. How might Congress meet the One Cent mandate?

    Congress cuts Program A by one cent every year for six years. That means the annual budget for Program A is $0.99 in year one and then $0.98, $0.97, $0.96, $0.95 and finally $0.94.
    Program B is found to be essential and efficient — Congress chooses not to cut Program B.
    Program C is outdated and needs to be restructured — Congress cuts two cents each year for six years from Program C.
    In this example, Congress is able to make program-by-program decisions to bring spending within the One Cent Solution caps. If Congress fails to make those tough decisions, then automatic, across-the-board cuts would be imposed to make sure the caps were enforced. The One Cent Solution is a “belt and suspenders” approach to making certain spending is brought under control and the budget is balanced.

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    The One Cent Solution provides Americans with a clear path from massive deficits to a balanced budget. Every family in America can reduce its overall spending by one percent per year, and they know the federal government can too. Do that for six years in a row and the federal budget is balanced.

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    Lastly, I don't think the majority of the Republicans in Washington have any idea how this could work either, since they signed off on the approximate $1.3-Trillion in spending cuts over the next 10-years. I can't imagine taking 33% out of my budget each month without pretty much guaranteeing bankruptcy. Do we need to cut spending? Absolutely, but taking the poison pill does nothing but kill.
    Yeah, I don't think we need "poison pills" either. However, I will take exception to the offer that having congress have to go under Obamacare, or that delaying the mandate for 6 months, or a year was any poison pill...It is called fairness.
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    Re: Vets take down barricades in Washington

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    That word doesn't mean what you think it means.

    Unless you think every person who criticizes Obama is automatically racist. I sure don't think that, but you seem to.
    No, but the nastiness directed at Palin and Bachmann comes from a darker place than mere policy differences.
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    Re: Cruz, Palin join protesters at WWII Memorial

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I think you are maybe looking at it wrong...No one says that any single entire entity has to be eliminated for it to work. But, come on man, the reported number of furlough's for the shutdown were that some 800,000 non essential government employees were told to stay home, and that only shut down in essence 17% to 20% of government activities....It is things like this that make one wonder what else is being wasted?

    Further, Connie Mack last year came up with what he calls "the Penny plan".... Have you heard of that?





    Yeah, I don't think we need "poison pills" either. However, I will take exception to the offer that having congress have to go under Obamacare, or that delaying the mandate for 6 months, or a year was any poison pill...It is called fairness.
    Never heard of any of it, but I went and read the entire page. I also pulled out my trusty calculator. And to tell you how ridiculous this proposal is, I am going to give up the one cent on every dollar thing right off the top. In fact, I'll take that progressive one cent reduction across the board for every year, until we are paying $0.94 for every dollar of revenue. The difference goes to pay on the debt. However, that is not what the "One Cent Solution" is all about . . . from THEIR website:

    The One Cent Solution is beautifully simple: If the government cuts one cent out of every dollar of its total spending (excluding interest payments) each year for five years, and then caps overall federal spending at 18 percent of national income from then on:
    Here I go again with that damn calculator. So here's what I did. I took your revenue numbers of $260-Billion a month. That means we take in approximately $3.12 Trillion a year. The One Cent Solution wants to cap Federal Spending at 18% of national income. Of course they are willing to exclude interest payments. Using your number, we pay $ 25-Billion a month on the juice . . .equalling $300-Billion a year. Lets not exclude that $300-Billion . . . lets keep it in the equation. Using the math proposed in the the One Cent Solution . . . our country is suppose to operate on 18% of $3.12-Trillion . . . unless of course, "and then caps overall federal spending at 18 percent of national income from then on" doesn't mean what it means. Well, that really means we have $561.6-Billion to operate on until the year 2019.

    So, we are gonna go from approximately $3.8-Trillion down to $561.6-Billion a year. Earlier you wanted to cap spending at 67-70%, you are now suggesting we have 82% of waste, fraud, and abuse. Unless of course the numbers you gave me are wrong.

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    Re: Vets take down barricades in Washington

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    Cruz and Palin are honestly pathetic. I applaud the veterans on the other hand. 80+ years old and still fighting for their country against those who are trying to ruin it; their politicians. Hats off to them. I only wish the people would realize how corrupt the government is and make a true change, not an Obama "change"
    It's so far beyond that - the Fedreal government and union and State employees are ALL communist, the have the same agenda - they Just don't have an army backed by Lenin type leader - to further progress an agenda - unless you want to call that news Lenin Barack Obama....

    They'll just implement their socialist stratageies via legislation....

    It doen't take a gun to win a war it takes legislation....

    This federal government, and even some local government rule as the see fit witout regard for the United States constitution or more specifically the Bill of Rights...

    I suppose these crazies every right to share their points of view, however their support for violations for the 1st, 2nd. 4th and 10th amendments if you allow history unless one of those amendment legitimizes their ignorant social justice gatherings and protests.

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    Re: Cruz, Palin join protesters at WWII Memorial

    Quote Originally Posted by DiavoTheMiavo View Post
    Never heard of any of it, but I went and read the entire page. I also pulled out my trusty calculator. And to tell you how ridiculous this proposal is, I am going to give up the one cent on every dollar thing right off the top. In fact, I'll take that progressive one cent reduction across the board for every year, until we are paying $0.94 for every dollar of revenue. The difference goes to pay on the debt. However, that is not what the "One Cent Solution" is all about . . . from THEIR website:



    Here I go again with that damn calculator. So here's what I did. I took your revenue numbers of $260-Billion a month. That means we take in approximately $3.12 Trillion a year. The One Cent Solution wants to cap Federal Spending at 18% of national income. Of course they are willing to exclude interest payments. Using your number, we pay $ 25-Billion a month on the juice . . .equalling $300-Billion a year. Lets not exclude that $300-Billion . . . lets keep it in the equation. Using the math proposed in the the One Cent Solution . . . our country is suppose to operate on 18% of $3.12-Trillion . . . unless of course, "and then caps overall federal spending at 18 percent of national income from then on" doesn't mean what it means. Well, that really means we have $561.6-Billion to operate on until the year 2019.

    So, we are gonna go from approximately $3.8-Trillion down to $561.6-Billion a year. Earlier you wanted to cap spending at 67-70%, you are now suggesting we have 82% of waste, fraud, and abuse. Unless of course the numbers you gave me are wrong.
    The numbers I put out there are what has been bandied about on different programs in discussions, from FNC, to MSNBC. But I think maybe you are misreading the "national income" part of it....The way this idea has been talked about before in interviews, is that our current levels of spending would cap, and we would start real cuts of 1% of every dollar spent for 6 years, and this is supposed to balance the budget.
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    Re: Vets take down barricades in Washington

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    No, but the nastiness directed at Palin and Bachmann comes from a darker place than mere policy differences.
    Same with the criticism of Obama, then.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Cruz, Palin join protesters at WWII Memorial

    Quote Originally Posted by DiavoTheMiavo View Post
    Never heard of any of it, but I went and read the entire page. I also pulled out my trusty calculator. And to tell you how ridiculous this proposal is, I am going to give up the one cent on every dollar thing right off the top. In fact, I'll take that progressive one cent reduction across the board for every year, until we are paying $0.94 for every dollar of revenue. The difference goes to pay on the debt. However, that is not what the "One Cent Solution" is all about . . . from THEIR website:



    Here I go again with that damn calculator. So here's what I did. I took your revenue numbers of $260-Billion a month. That means we take in approximately $3.12 Trillion a year. The One Cent Solution wants to cap Federal Spending at 18% of national income. Of course they are willing to exclude interest payments. Using your number, we pay $ 25-Billion a month on the juice . . .equalling $300-Billion a year. Lets not exclude that $300-Billion . . . lets keep it in the equation. Using the math proposed in the the One Cent Solution . . . our country is suppose to operate on 18% of $3.12-Trillion . . . unless of course, "and then caps overall federal spending at 18 percent of national income from then on" doesn't mean what it means. Well, that really means we have $561.6-Billion to operate on until the year 2019.

    So, we are gonna go from approximately $3.8-Trillion down to $561.6-Billion a year. Earlier you wanted to cap spending at 67-70%, you are now suggesting we have 82% of waste, fraud, and abuse. Unless of course the numbers you gave me are wrong.
    Are we sure it wasn't 18% of GDP or something?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Cruz, Palin join protesters at WWII Memorial

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    *Sigh* Not going to take your baiting Thorgasm....This is so obviously what the left wants, something they could point to and cement their false claims of extremism....Maybe you should discuss, instead of trying weakly to play provocateur....
    The left is despicable. You are on to their plan and have so far been powerless to stop it. The left doesn't think you have the intestinal fortitude to stop them.

    I'm not baiting you. I've heard you guys whine about Obama for years now. I am trying to help you stop being victims.
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