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Re: Vets take down barricades in Washington

Kobie said:
We're off the Nazi thing. Those of us who know better know that Nazism pretty much transcends the left-right dichotomy. It's not even remotely what Gardener was talking about.
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No it doesn't. The neo-Nazis are extreme rightists and they model themselves off of Nazism. You may be able to get some traction accusing the left of being commies though. But be careful if you do because the two are diametrically opposed at the extremes of the political spectrum.
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
what romney and the republican's were offering in 2012 was unpalatable to the majority of the American people.

the democrats kept control of the senate, kept their majority, because the people voted for them to represent them.
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Only 1/3 of the Senate were up for reelection so it's not quite true that the people voted to continue with a Senate that doesn't represent the American people but an incompetent man who spends more time playing golf and blaming others for his own failures.
 
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APACHERAT said:
Tell it to the left, it was their study.
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It was NINETEEN-OH-EIGHT. You really think conservatives of that time period had super-enlightened ideas about race?

I realize that everything bad in the universe, you will attempt to pin on "the left," but at least try to show a shred of intellectual honesty.
 
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vesper said:
No actually those who study history understand Nazism comes in many flavors and is not a left or right thing.
And those who also study history know today this new anti-Semitic movement is tied to the Socialist agenda.

Here's a quote for you all to chew on
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It's always cute when new people try to lecture me as somehow being ignorant of the one subject for which I have studied at greatest length. I have been here for 8 years and have devoted over a thousand posts to combatting antisemitism.

What you think this has to do with anything I actually said is beyond me.
 
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Kobie said:
It was NINETEEN-OH-EIGHT. You really think conservatives of that time period had super-enlightened ideas about race?

I realize that everything bad in the universe, you will attempt to pin on "the left," but at least try to show a shred of intellectual honesty.
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It's the Congressional Progressive Caucus that keeps bringing up the progressive era in America and who keep bringing up Theodore Roosevelt as being one of their own.
 
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APACHERAT said:
It's the Congressional Progressive Caucus that keeps bringing up the progressive era in America and who keep bringing up Theodore Roosevelt as being one of their own.
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Okay.

Using 100-year-old studies as "proof" that "the left" are the real racists is the height of intellectual dishonesty. It's like you're not even trying to have a serious conversation. So bugger off.
 
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Kobie said:
We're off the Nazi thing. Those of us who know better know that Nazism pretty much transcends the left-right dichotomy. It's not even remotely what Gardener was talking about.
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No we're not off the Nazi thing just yet.

The right has little use for collectivism. The further right you go, the less use for collectivism.

Just because socialism may be a little to the right of communism or fascism doesn't mean it's to the right. It still relies on and pushes collectivism through big government influence which undermines individual freedom which is a trait of all leftist political groups. Nazi's have little use for individual freedoms.
 
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ItAin'tFree said:
No we're not off the Nazi thing just yet.

The right has little use for collectivism. The further right you go, the less use for collectivism.

Just because socialism may be a little to the right of communism or fascism doesn't mean it's to the right. It still relies on and pushes collectivism through big government influence which undermines individual freedom which is a trait of all leftist political groups. Nazi's have little use for individual freedoms.
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Fascism isn't a "left" ideology either. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Authoritarians have little use for individual freedoms; they exist on both the very far right and very far left.
 
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Gardener said:
It's always cute when new people try to lecture me as somehow being ignorant of the one subject for which I have studied at greatest length. I have been here for 8 years and have devoted over a thousand posts to combatting antisemitism.

What you think this has to do with anything I actually said is beyond me.
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Please accept my apology for misunderstanding your comment.
 
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Michael66 said:
No it doesn't. The neo-Nazis are extreme rightists and they model themselves off of Nazism. You may be able to get some traction accusing the left of being commies though. But be careful if you do because the two are diametrically opposed at the extremes of the political spectrum.
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Stalin would disagree with you.
But I digress.

>" To be a socialist means to let the ego serve the neighbour, to sacrifice the self for the whole. In its deepest sense socialism equals service. The individual refrains and the commonwealth demands. "<


>" This city is grey and miserable. The houses are covered with soot, the people grave and taciturn. Black masses move along the streets; meager and pale faces, the necks bend down. Children are sitting at the street corners, begging. In front of the shops women are standing with old, grey faces.
Night falls. The discharge tubes ignite. Light shines down on misery and filth.
My heart wrenches.
Whores and pimps are dragging themselves through the small and narrow lanes. Yonder red lights are glowing. The evening seems to spread black wings over the city. Richness and misery are living close to each other.
It makes you feel like crying. "<

Just the babbling of a socialist, Joseph Goebbels.
 
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Kobie said:
Okay.

Using 100-year-old studies as "proof" that "the left" are the real racists is the height of intellectual dishonesty. It's like you're not even trying to have a serious conversation. So bugger off.
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Resorting to playing the homosexuality card when you no longer have an argument to stand by is just as bad as playing the race card.
It's a leftist thing I suppose.
 
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Kobie said:
Fascism isn't a "left" ideology either. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Authoritarians have little use for individual freedoms; they exist on both the very far right and very far left.
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Merriam-Webster-
Fascism
:a way of organizing a society in which government ruled by a dictator controls the lives of people and in which people are not allowed to disagree with the government
: very harsh control or authority


Once again it's that "collectivism" government thing that leftists love and freedom loving people hate.
 
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ItAin'tFree said:
Merriam-Webster-
Fascism
:a way of organizing a society in which government ruled by a dictator controls the lives of people and in which people are not allowed to disagree with the government
: very harsh control or authority


Once again it's that "collectivism" government thing that leftists love and freedom loving people hate.
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So there are no right-wing dictators with whom dissent isn't permitted and rights are limited? That's absurd.

You're acting as if "freedom" is far right, and everything gets progressively less "free" as you move left. That's insane.
 
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Kobie said:
That's not what "bugger off" means.

Urban Dictionary: bugger off

(language NSFW)
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buggery - definition of buggery by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

Buggery - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

buggery - Wiktionary

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Please continue to Wkipedia at your own risk. -> Buggery - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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APACHERAT said:
buggery - definition of buggery by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

Buggery - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

buggery - Wiktionary

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Please continue to Wkipedia at your own risk. -> Buggery - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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I know what "buggery" is. That still doesn't change the fact that this is not what "bugger off" means. Stop being obtuse.
 
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Kobie said:
I know what "buggery" is. That still doesn't change the fact that this is not what "bugger off" means. Stop being obtuse.
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Just another example of liberal revisionism.
 
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APACHERAT said:
Your falling back on foreign slang.
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That's what it is! It's not my fault you don't understand it.

APACHERAT said:
What's next, that the socialist and labor unions in America during the 1930's and early 40's didn't consider Hitler a socialist comrade ?
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I know a lot of U.S. businesses were all too eager to do business with the Nazis.

How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power | World news | The Guardian
Washingtonpost.com: Ford and GM Scrutinized for Alleged Nazi Collaboration
Nazis rode to war on GM wheels - SFGate
IBM and the Holocaust: The Strategic Alliance between Nazi Germany and America's Most Powerful Corporation: Edwin Black: 9780609607992: Amazon.com: Books

Meanwhile, the American Federation of Labor (now part of the AFL-CIO) recommended a boycott of German products as a protest of “the repressive policies of persecution of the Jewish people.”

American Federation of Labor Convention Receives Council Report Urging Nazi Boycott | Jewish Telegraphic Agency

So once again, you're proven miserably wrong.
 
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Michael66 said:
There's no mistaking what their 'professed' agenda is and so I don't need to be told it again and again. On the contrary, I can see what their real agenda is by looking at them in action. And don't forget, they've clearly aligned themselves with the crazy vaudeville comedian Glenn Beck. Is that alone any way to put their bid in for running a country? Media comedy shows of that sort can't really be taken seriously by voters. They haven't distanced themselves from that idiot either and that's because it's a large part of their support in the days of growing the brand.
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So you know nothing about their 'real agenda', are guessing at it, yet feel you have some insight. It's always that way with leftists.
 
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Kobie said:
LOL WHAT. Neo-Nazis are "hard core leftists?" What color is the sky in your world?
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You don't know what "Nazi" means and are unfamiliar with the history of the US Democrats?
 
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Kobie said:
And if they're in the "Very Conservative" tribe, hoo boy. Most of those types, you need two hands to count the number of times they'll use "liberal" or "leftist" in their average post.
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That's quite likely because "Leftists" , Progressives", "Socialists", "Communists", "Nazis", "Fascists". etc. keep changing their names as soon as their agenda and history are exposed.
 
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