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Cruz, Palin join protesters at WWII Memorial[W:793:1010:1190]

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Michael66 said:
Yes, but it's all about extremism and racist hate so the right is temporarily blinded to reality. Idiots like Palin can do nothing but more damage to the R brand.

And as to her competence with a rifle, any person who has ever used one would be embarrassed with her display. Probably the first time she ever got behind one and fired it. Publicity stunt.
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The fact that the Republicans won a huge victory in 2010 and retained the "Peoples' House" in 2012 says that you are out of touch with reality. You have no idea what the pulse is in this country but I did underestimate the number of dependent people, kooks. leftwing zealots, and socialist wannabes that voted to re-elect the incompetent we have in the WH now. Keep spouting and buying the liberal line while ignoring that Obama and liberals are destroying this country as the economic results show. You and others seem to have the same leadership skills as the Chicago street thug in the WH. Demonize anyone who stands in your way and continue to divert from the liberal failures.
 
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Michael66 said:
Yes, but it's all about extremism and racist hate so the right is temporarily blinded to reality. Idiots like Palin can do nothing but more damage to the R brand.

And as to her competence with a rifle, any person who has ever used one would be embarrassed with her display. Probably the first time she ever got behind one and fired it. Publicity stunt.
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The misogyny of the left on display again.:roll:
 
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Conservative said:
The fact that the Republicans won a huge victory in 2010 and retained the "Peoples' House" in 2012 says that you are out of touch with reality. You have no idea what the pulse is in this country but I did underestimate the number of dependent people, kooks. leftwing zealots, and socialist wannabes that voted to re-elect the incompetent we have in the WH now. Keep spouting and buying the liberal line while ignoring that Obama and liberals are destroying this country as the economic results show. You and others seem to have the same leadership skills as the Chicago street thug in the WH. Demonize anyone who stands in your way and continue to divert from the liberal failures.
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and what can the republicans in the house accomplish by themselves. there are 200 democrats in the house and in order to pass a purely conservative agenda the republicans have to vote unanimously as a caucus to pass anything because the house democrats would not vote for a conservative agenda.

and then there is the senate, where democrats hold a majority, and the white house currently held by president obama.

if you think the republicans in the house have the ability to govern without help from the democrats, you are ignoring the political reality of having a bicameral legislature.

and you still cannot rationalize or accept that the American people chose to reelect president obama, and to preserve the democratic majority in the senate.
 
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Michael66 said:
Yes, but it's all about extremism and racist hate so the right is temporarily blinded to reality. Idiots like Palin can do nothing but more damage to the R brand.

And as to her competence with a rifle, any person who has ever used one would be embarrassed with her display. Probably the first time she ever got behind one and fired it. Publicity stunt.
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Leave her and Cruz alone, they're more of a threat to the Republican party than they are of Democrats.
 
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Jack Hays said:
The misogyny of the left is relentless.
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Jack Hays said:
The misogyny of the left on display again.:roll:
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"An offense against one is an offense against all"

The superficiality of right wing "independents" is relentless.

Knock off the mindless spam.
 
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Conservative said:
The fact that the Republicans won a huge victory in 2010 and retained the "Peoples' House" in 2012 says that you are out of touch with reality. You have no idea what the pulse is in this country but I did underestimate the number of dependent people, kooks. leftwing zealots, and socialist wannabes that voted to re-elect the incompetent we have in the WH now. Keep spouting and buying the liberal line while ignoring that Obama and liberals are destroying this country as the economic results show. You and others seem to have the same leadership skills as the Chicago street thug in the WH. Demonize anyone who stands in your way and continue to divert from the liberal failures.
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I could possibly be misjudging the pulse of your country and Cruz could triumph with the baggers but I find it highly unlikely. If so then it would be something that all Americans should greatly fear. It would no longer be a sideshow but it would turn into something so destructive of your country that it couldn't be survived by the people for long unless it was greatly modified.

But I've always said that America may have to travel down that path before it returns to some kind of normalcy. Canada is a good example of what 'does' work and it's far removed from the bagger agenda.

I think it's much more likely that a large part of the bagger movement will die a natural death as the object of their racist hate is no longer in their WH. Some of it will undoubtedly continue to a degree that it existed before Obama. It will return to a more rational agenda of supplyside economics which has existed since Reagan as a small fringe movement. Supplyside economics had it's chance with Bush2 and that lesson learned won't leave the discussion for many years.
 
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A worthwhile discussion to have on this forum would be an analysis of what is 'really' the bagger agenda. It could perhaps get some heads straightened around on how it is completely opposed to prosperity of the ordinary people and entirely involved in promoting more inequality.
Americans must not forget, they have already turned their country into the second worst example of income inequality in the world. That should give them a clue to what the problem really is. Baggerism is begging for more of the same.
 
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Michael66 said:
A worthwhile discussion to have on this forum would be an analysis of what is 'really' the bagger agenda. It could perhaps get some heads straightened around on how it is completely opposed to prosperity of the ordinary people and entirely involved in promoting more inequality.
Americans must not forget, they have already turned their country into the second worst example of income inequality in the world. That should give them a clue to what the problem really is. Baggerism is begging for more of the same.
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You believe income inequality is a problem? Why is that?

Your language suggests you don't really want a discussion, but rather an opportunity to sling insults.:peace
 
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Conservative said:
The fact that the Republicans won a huge victory in 2010 and retained the "Peoples' House" in 2012.
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Repubs lost seats in 2012 and will lose more seats each of the next two cycles..
Current remaps prevent "throwing out the bums" until 2022 .
 
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Jack Hays said:
You believe income inequality is a problem?
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Do you like this 2nd Gilded age begun during the 80's??
Should a person make more on interest of his money, off-shore to pay no USA taxes, than oh so many Villages ?
 
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Jack Hays said:
You believe income inequality is a problem? Why is that?
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Anytime a certain group holds power at an extreme level relative to another, the inequality causes those with less to have their interests ignored. It creates instability, either economically or politically.

This is basic stuff a historian should know.

Your language suggests you don't really want a discussion, but rather an opportunity to sling insults.:peace
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Oh..wait....I heard something like this somewhere...

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...otesters-wwii-memorial-76.html#post1062447092
 
Re: Cruz, Palin join protesters at WWII Memorial

Jack Hays said:
You believe income inequality is a problem? Why is that?

Your language suggests you don't really want a discussion, but rather an opportunity to sling insults.:peace
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Along with extremism comes insults, but I can hold off on them in favour of a sane discussion. And so, if you think income inequality isn't a problem then you need to look at your country's standing in comparison to the rest of the first world.

In fact, you know it's a problem and so do I. The comments and complaints on this board alone are enough proof of that and it's coming from both sides of the political spectrum.

If it's an insult to criticize your country then I suppose that is something that you are going to have to live with. The discussion is impossible without it!
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
and what can the republicans in the house accomplish by themselves. there are 200 democrats in the house and in order to pass a purely conservative agenda the republicans have to vote unanimously as a caucus to pass anything because the house democrats would not vote for a conservative agenda.

and then there is the senate, where democrats hold a majority, and the white house currently held by president obama.

if you think the republicans in the house have the ability to govern without help from the democrats, you are ignoring the political reality of having a bicameral legislature.

and you still cannot rationalize or accept that the American people chose to reelect president obama, and to preserve the democratic majority in the senate.
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Nothing but they do represent the will of the people and to continue to demonize them is to demonize the majority in this country who elected them.

Democrats do hold a majority in the Senate but lost seats and only won because of the big cities controlled by the city bosses. It does seem that compromise is giving into the liberals and what they want. Is that your definition of compromise?

The American people chose to re-elect Obama because they continue to buy the rhetoric and ignore the incompetence and the results. They didn't like Romney and thought Obama was the better alternative. They were wrong and that is surfacing today. I hope we survive three more years of Obama. I suggest you pay attention to the Obama results and tell my you support them?
 
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NIMBY said:
Do you like this 2nd Gilded age begun during the 80's??
Should a person make more on interest of his money, off-shore to pay no USA taxes, than oh so many Villages ?
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A person should make as much money as he/she is clever and industrious enough to make.:peace
 
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pbrauer said:
Leave her and Cruz alone, they're more of a threat to the Republican party than they are of Democrats.
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Right, another "American Idol" voter. There is no way that Palin would generate worse results than Obama
 
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Michael66 said:
Along with extremism comes insults, but I can hold off on them in favour of a sane discussion. And so, if you think income inequality isn't a problem then you need to look at your country's standing in comparison to the rest of the first world.

In fact, you know it's a problem and so do I. The comments and complaints on this board alone are enough proof of that and it's coming from both sides of the political spectrum.

If it's an insult to criticize your country then I suppose that is something that you are going to have to live with. The discussion is impossible without it!
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On the contrary, I believe income inequality is one of the outstanding positive points of the USA. :peace
 
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Conservative said:
Right, another "American Idol" voter. There is no way that Palin would generate worse results than Obama
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She'd quit half way through and do reality TV
 
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Any conservative who supports Palin is being irrational and not worthy of any discussion. So maybe rather than having to condemn her outright and show weakness by a split in the party line, it's better to just not associate oneself with her crazed and insane agenda.

It's like a Dem remaining silent on the Anthony Weiner embarrassment. Only extremist idiots would show support in both cases.
 
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winston53660 said:
She'd quit half way through and do reality TV
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Well, since she was not going to win round four, she didn't want to be a lame duck reality show contestant. ;)
 
Re: Vets take down barricades in Washington

Michael66 said:
I could possibly be misjudging the pulse of your country and Cruz could triumph with the baggers but I find it highly unlikely. If so then it would be something that all Americans should greatly fear. It would no longer be a sideshow but it would turn into something so destructive of your country that it couldn't be survived by the people for long unless it was greatly modified.

But I've always said that America may have to travel down that path before it returns to some kind of normalcy. Canada is a good example of what 'does' work and it's far removed from the bagger agenda.

I think it's much more likely that a large part of the bagger movement will die a natural death as the object of their racist hate is no longer in their WH. Some of it will undoubtedly continue to a degree that it existed before Obama. It will return to a more rational agenda of supplyside economics which has existed since Reagan as a small fringe movement. Supplyside economics had it's chance with Bush2 and that lesson learned won't leave the discussion for many years.
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Sorry, I don't fear it at all, what I do fear are continuation of the Obama economic results and destruction of our economy. There is nothing to fear about personal and economic responsibility. Canada is improving due to the election of a Conservative government. It is going to take that here as well because a good leader doesn't demonize individual wealth creation and promote the entitlement society.

I don't think you have a clue with the T.E.A. Party stands for any buy what the media tells you, a media that creates the news rather than reports the news. Sorry but supply side economics is the only economic system that works. Supply side economics was torpedoed by the liberals in Congress with the help of the media. The economic numbers when the Republicans controlled the Congress from January 2003 to January 2007 were stellar but you would never know that because far too many people buy what they are told and refuse to do any research to verify the rhetoric. BLS.gov, BEA.gov, and the U.S. Treasury will show the results of those years and they aren't bad at all.
 
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NIMBY said:
Repubs lost seats in 2012 and will lose more seats each of the next two cycles..
Current remaps prevent "throwing out the bums" until 2022 .
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That is your opinion but as usual you have so little faith in the American people understanding what really made this country great and it wasn't liberalism. The American people will come to their senses in spite of people like you
 
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Jack Hays said:
A person should make as much money as he/she is clever and industrious enough to make.:peace
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That is an argument for a guaranteed outcome.

If you had said "should be able", you might have something...but it would still ignore that power corrupts....and so on.
 
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especially on inherited millions..
where they will make more in interest on said inheritance than 99% of Americans will make in their lifetimes .
Jack Hays said:
A person should make as much money as he/she is clever and industrious enough to make.:peace
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Re: Vets take down barricades in Washington

Michael66 said:
Any conservative who supports Palin is being irrational and not worthy of any discussion. So maybe rather than having to condemn her outright and show weakness by a split in the party line, it's better to just not associate oneself with her crazed and insane agenda.

It's like a Dem remaining silent on the Anthony Weiner embarrassment. Only extremist idiots would show support in both cases.
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False equivalence. She was certainly a flawed VP candidate but before that she was an able reformist governor. She has certainly not caused her family the pain and embarrassment that Weiner has caused his.:peace
 
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Conservative said:
Nothing but they do represent the will of the people and to continue to demonize them is to demonize the majority in this country who elected them.

Democrats do hold a majority in the Senate but lost seats and only won because of the big cities controlled by the city bosses. It does seem that compromise is giving into the liberals and what they want. Is that your definition of compromise?

The American people chose to re-elect Obama because they continue to buy the rhetoric and ignore the incompetence and the results. They didn't like Romney and thought Obama was the better alternative. They were wrong and that is surfacing today. I hope we survive three more years of Obama. I suggest you pay attention to the Obama results and tell my you support them?
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Romney was one of the worst candidates the Republicans could have nominated. One of truest statements he ever made on the campaign trail was that he wasn't a politician. IMO, Jon Huntsman could of beaten Obama, but Fox News didn't give him a chance. They opted for all the cookoos of the bunch.
 
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