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    Re: Al-Qaida Surges Back in Iraq, Reviving Old Fears

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    Saddam not only tolerated AQ in Iraq, he was allies with them in their war against the PUK in Iraq.
    Yea... Got a source on that? Oh yea you dont.


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    Re: Al-Qaida Surges Back in Iraq, Reviving Old Fears

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    They never left. The idea that AQ was never there was just part of the anti American propaganda, propagated mostly by the US MSM.
    They arrived in 2003....


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    Re: Al-Qaida Surges Back in Iraq, Reviving Old Fears

    So basically my hope of a credible source is not going to happen...
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    Re: Al-Qaida Surges Back in Iraq, Reviving Old Fears

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    They arrived in 2003....
    Did they?

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    Re: Al-Qaida Surges Back in Iraq, Reviving Old Fears

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So basically my hope of a credible source is not going to happen...
    Not unless you read. But there will probably never be a source that will satisfy you.

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    Re: Al-Qaida Surges Back in Iraq, Reviving Old Fears

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I was quoting the MSM. Aren't you at all suspicious about your source?
    Absolutely. I'm always suspicious of anything that came out of the mouth of GWB.... oh, you mean the blogger? I suppose he might have misquoted the POTUS.

    as for MSM? Your links led to Newsbusters and the Weekly Standard. Are they really any more reliable?
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    Re: Al-Qaida Surges Back in Iraq, Reviving Old Fears

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Can any one actually document with a reputable source their claims about AQ in Iraq prior to the war? I see unsubstantiated claims both ways...
    From the beginning of his rise to power, one of Saddam's major objectives was to shift the regional balance of power favorably
    towards Iraq. After the 1991 Gulf War, pursuing this objective motivated Saddam and his regime to increase their cooperation
    with-and attempts to manipulate-Islamic fundamentalists and related terrorist organizations.
    Documents indicate that the regime's us of terrorism was standard practice, although not always successful. From 1991 through
    2003, the Saddam regime regarded inspiring, sponsoring, directing, and executing acts of terrorism as an element of state
    power.
    Iraqi Perspectives Project: Saddam and Terrorism

    5 volumes of cataloged and referenced reports on Saddams ties to terrorism. Good reading.

    Saddam was a dictator. He wasnt some pansy ass dictator...he ruled with a pretty iron grip and he had a military and the Guard to pretty much do his bidding. Like the Shah, he didnt allow terrorist organizations to plot against the Iraqi government and people...he would have simply made them disappear. So no...it is not likely you will find a group like Al Qaida operating in the borders of a country where the dictator for life would have no problem making their families vanish.

    Saudi Arabia handles the terrorist problem in much the same way. UAE handles it a bit differently. In UAE, terror organizations can live, dwell, plan, bank, barbeque...whatever....but they cant ACT within the Emirate.

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    Re: Al-Qaida Surges Back in Iraq, Reviving Old Fears

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    That would be kinda sad. I have no clue as to the truth, and would be swayed by credible sourcing.
    Lets' check with curveball.

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    Re: Al-Qaida Surges Back in Iraq, Reviving Old Fears

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    Re: Al-Qaida Surges Back in Iraq, Reviving Old Fears

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    From the beginning of his rise to power, one of Saddam's major objectives was to shift the regional balance of power favorably
    towards Iraq. After the 1991 Gulf War, pursuing this objective motivated Saddam and his regime to increase their cooperation
    with-and attempts to manipulate-Islamic fundamentalists and related terrorist organizations.
    Documents indicate that the regime's us of terrorism was standard practice, although not always successful. From 1991 through
    2003, the Saddam regime regarded inspiring, sponsoring, directing, and executing acts of terrorism as an element of state
    power.
    Iraqi Perspectives Project: Saddam and Terrorism

    5 volumes of cataloged and referenced reports on Saddams ties to terrorism. Good reading.

    Saddam was a dictator. He wasnt some pansy ass dictator...he ruled with a pretty iron grip and he had a military and the Guard to pretty much do his bidding. Like the Shah, he didnt allow terrorist organizations to plot against the Iraqi government and people...he would have simply made them disappear. So no...it is not likely you will find a group like Al Qaida operating in the borders of a country where the dictator for life would have no problem making their families vanish.

    Saudi Arabia handles the terrorist problem in much the same way. UAE handles it a bit differently. In UAE, terror organizations can live, dwell, plan, bank, barbeque...whatever....but they cant ACT within the Emirate.
    I wish I had time to read through all that. Based on the abstract it looks like probably there was little if any actual AQ presence in Iraq and any links where pretty tenuous at best, but they did work towards similar goals and had some secondhand connections. Have you read the full thing to verify if that is correct?
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