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    Re: You're still legally dead, judge tells Fostoria man

    Quote Originally Posted by Republic Now! View Post
    I guess a dead person doesn't have rights, so that could backfire on him.
    The point is, the ruling is ridiculous. The government knows he isn't dead, so he shouldn't be. What would be the legal situation if he now went out and murdered somebody? By every definition of the law, a dead man can't murder.
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    Re: You're still legally dead, judge tells Fostoria man

    "who says that i am dead knows naught at all"

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    Re: You're still legally dead, judge tells Fostoria man

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    There appear to be some extenuating circumstances - he was declared dead so his wife could collect social security benefits, and now if he becomes alive she would have to repay, but has not the funds:
    I hate to say it, but this is what should happen, imo. Perhaps the judge could rule that the man is responsible for the fraud and not the ex-wife and therefore responsible for repayment. Either way, the truth is, he is not dead, hasn't been dead, and benefits were paid out that ultimately shouldn't have been.
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    Re: You're still legally dead, judge tells Fostoria man

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    You're suggesting that government should be completely inflexible and never reverse their decisions. They have obvious evidence that they were wrong, they should reverse the decision. Otherwise you can't legally charge this man with any crime.
    I'm not even talking about charging him with a crime or not a crime. He's an illegal immigrant as far as I'm concerned and he needs to GTFO of this country. If he can work odd jobs in bum**** FL and Georgia, he can do it again. And if his SS# was cancelled in 1994 then why was he not getting things corrected then?. This clown didn't want his citizenship and so, in a way he doesn't have it. Much like that family that tried to take a boat to Chile, the people who don't want to be here should be free to leave.

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    Re: You're still legally dead, judge tells Fostoria man

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    I'm not even talking about charging him with a crime or not a crime. He's an illegal immigrant as far as I'm concerned and he needs to GTFO of this country. If he can work odd jobs in bum**** FL and Georgia, he can do it again. And if his SS# was cancelled in 1994 then why was he not getting things corrected then?. This clown didn't want his citizenship and so, in a way he doesn't have it. Much like that family that tried to take a boat to Chile, the people who don't want to be here should be free to leave.
    What the court did is actualy illegal. The 3rd Geniva Convention bans Persona Non Grata and requires everyone to have legal status. "Dead" is not a recegnised status.

    IMO a campromise is to issue him a new identity as with witnis protection.

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    Re: You're still legally dead, judge tells Fostoria man

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    It appears that this is the legally correct decision based on what little information is available. For example this means that he successfully upped and disappeared and lived off the grid for a number of years. I'm assuming he doesn't actually have any I.D. He could be a foreign spy or some other individual claiming to be another person.

    Instead of chomping at the bit to blame everything on the government, look at the practical reason for why the judge decided that he should remain dead. If this man wanted to be considered "alive" then he had nearly a decade to do so and chose not to claim all the benefits associated with being a living breathing citizen of the United States.
    So the government is like California DMV now. If you don't register the car for a few years the car ceases to exist?

    Fingerprints will prove who he was and if he was living off the grid he had every right in the world to do that.

    How can a court deny his existence in any way?

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    Re: You're still legally dead, judge tells Fostoria man

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    I hate to say it, but this is what should happen, imo. Perhaps the judge could rule that the man is responsible for the fraud and not the ex-wife and therefore responsible for repayment. Either way, the truth is, he is not dead, hasn't been dead, and benefits were paid out that ultimately shouldn't have been.
    Is there any evidence this was a scheme for her to collect the money?

    If he knew nothing about what she did, why does he have to pay the Price?

    Did the wife know he was alive?

    If not there was no fraud there.

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    Re: You're still legally dead, judge tells Fostoria man

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    OK, a guy that everybody thought was dead showed up in court to prove that he actually existed. He lost. He is now legally "undead", and the Zombie Apocalypse has begun. LMAO.

    Article is here.
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    Re: You're still legally dead, judge tells Fostoria man

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    OK, a guy that everybody thought was dead showed up in court to prove that he actually existed. He lost. He is now legally "undead", and the Zombie Apocalypse has begun. LMAO.

    Article is here.

    Well I wish somebody would make me legally dead. I could have some serious fun with that sort thing.
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    Re: You're still legally dead, judge tells Fostoria man

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Is there any evidence this was a scheme for her to collect the money?

    If he knew nothing about what she did, why does he have to pay the Price?

    Did the wife know he was alive?

    If not there was no fraud there.
    The fraud is on the part of the husband, I already said that. Just because he didn't "plan" to defraud the government, though he must have to some extent since he was taking cash for employments under the table which contributed to his "disappearance." So yeah, fraud occurred, it occurred because a yellow belly didn't want to pay child support, and he should be held responsible.
    I don't think the wife should be liable for the repayment, the man should be.
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