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Utah national parks to open Saturday with state aid

Moot said:
I've seen that, too. But in all fairness to Yellowstone, the park was decimated by a forest fire a few years ago and now some sort of pine beetle is killing the rest of the trees. The devastation is just beyond belief until you see it for yourself.
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Part of the problem is that they didn't want old trees to be cut, making the area very vulnerable to forest fires.

But if you want to see something really disturbing check out the forests in British Colombia on Google earth. You'll see huge swaths of barren circles where forests used to be.
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Any idea how that happened and what's being done about it?
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
Boy

127 Grizzly bears in southwestern Alberta, given the size of the area, that is not a large number of bears now is it
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If you read the article it is described as a 'sliver' of land and not the entire province or all of SW Alberta.
 
In-bred numbers, as described by the RMCP and Canadian Park Rangers..
On another note, I know of no cubs from polar and grizzly bears surviving yet..
I wonder if these climate deniers know where the Polar bears came from.
Lord Tammerlain said:
Boy

127 Grizzly bears in southwestern Alberta, given the size of the area, that is not a large number of bears now is it
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Grant said:
If you read the article it is described as a 'sliver' of land and not the entire province or all of SW Alberta.
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Do you really think Grizzly bears are around the Milk River region of Alberta? The area they are most likely talking about is the foothills and mountain areas of South Western Alberta. It is still a large area

http://srd.alberta.ca/FishWildlife/...bertaGrizzlyBearMonitoringProject-Jul2011.pdf

I believe the map in the PDF might indicate the region they are talking about. On Page 2 it indicates it has one of the highest population densities of Grizzly bears in Alberta
 
upsideguy said:
National parks are created by an Act of Congress, and then administered (run) by the National Park Service, which is an agency of the Department of Interior.
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And congress doesnt have the power to legislate such things.
 
jonny5 said:
And congress doesnt have the power to legislate such things.
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We appreciate your opinion (and appreciate that it is likely reasoned). It his, however, an opinion which should not be confused with fact.
 
Moot said:
A boundry as far away as your backyard would be fine with me. The noise and the air pollution from the machinery and big trucks kicking up dust on dirt roads scarring of the land and the environmental impact of the workers and their housing needs ...yeah, they could ruin tourism to Arches and Canyonlands, no question about it.
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So you're one of those huh. Live in a house made of wood but want to stop all logging. Drive a car but want to stop oil wells. Rely on 1000 mined materials but want to stop mining.:roll:
 
jonny5 said:
So you have nothing left but personal attacks?
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That is hardly a personal attack. We are merely getting into a disagreement of federal authority rather than the topic at hand. I was merely challenging the notion that declaring the government is out-of-bounds for operating a park is but your personal opinion. We could have a whole discussion of federal government authority, which I obviously see as much broader than you, but that is a bit of a tangent from the topic at hand.
 
upsideguy said:
That is hardly a personal attack. We are merely getting into a disagreement of federal authority rather than the topic at hand. I was merely challenging the notion that declaring the government is out-of-bounds for operating a park is but your personal opinion. We could have a whole discussion of federal government authority, which I obviously see as much broader than you, but that is a bit of a tangent from the topic at hand.
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Your post was condescending. That makes it a personal attack.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
So you're one of those huh. Live in a house made of wood but want to stop all logging. Drive a car but want to stop oil wells. Rely on 1000 mined materials but want to stop mining.:roll:
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What, you mean you don't you want fracking, oil drilling and strip mining in YOUR backyard? Live in a glass house, do ya Sawyer? :roll:
 
sawyerloggingon said:
You are the one that wants to expand park buffer zones to the Canadian border not me.
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You're the one telling me that my state needs to drill baby drill.
 
Moot said:
You're the one telling me that my state needs to drill baby drill.
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Drill, mine and log. You are the one that uses the resources all those industries but wants to stop them. Your house is made from all those resources industries you hate, you do know that don't you?
 
sawyerloggingon said:
Drill, mine and log. You are the one that uses the resources all those industries but wants to stop them. Your house is made from all those resources industries you hate, you do know that don't you?
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Yes, I want to stop them from drilling and mining in or near National Parks and protected wild lands. Ooo, I'm so bad.
 
Moot said:
Yes, I want to stop them from drilling and mining in or near National Parks and protected wild lands. Ooo, I'm so bad.
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There is a difference between National Parks, Wilderness areas and BLM land. As for drilling in National Parks, it's a balance issue. No one comes to the national parks to see and experience natural gas seepage. If that resource can be cleanly extracted without destroying the Park for generations to come, makes no sense to let it go fallow.

Not to mention, gold panning and small sluice mining has been allowed in National Parks since their inception.
 
clownboy said:
There is a difference between National Parks, Wilderness areas and BLM land. As for drilling in National Parks, it's a balance issue. No one comes to the national parks to see and experience natural gas seepage. If that resource can be cleanly extracted without destroying the Park for generations to come, makes no sense to let it go fallow.

Not to mention, gold panning and small sluice mining has been allowed in National Parks since their inception.
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Personally I'm against any big industry in national parks even big tourist industry like these huge lodges they have but outside the border is outside the border, a hundred feet or a hundred miles it makes no difference to me.
 
clownboy said:
There is a difference between National Parks, Wilderness areas and BLM land. As for drilling in National Parks, it's a balance issue. No one comes to the national parks to see and experience natural gas seepage. If that resource can be cleanly extracted without destroying the Park for generations to come, makes no sense to let it go fallow.

Not to mention, gold panning and small sluice mining has been allowed in National Parks since their inception.
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The oil has been in the ground for millions of years and it's not going to fallow just because it's not drilled out tomorrow. lol

Panning for gold is a far cry from strip mining and fracking, don't you think?
 
sawyerloggingon said:
I asked you before to define "near" and you said clear to my house by the Canadian border, care to try again?
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Thats fine with me, so whats your problem? Don't you want the oil drilling, fracking and strip mining near your house?
 
Moot said:
The oil has been in the ground for millions of years and it's not going to fallow just because it's not drilled out tomorrow. lol

Panning for gold is a far cry from strip mining and fracking, don't you think?
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Sure, but where did I mention using either method of extraction in this case? And there are oil pumping derricks in suburban neighborhoods around the West. LA has a ton of them.
 
clownboy said:
Sure, but where did I mention using either method of extraction in this case? And there are oil pumping derricks in suburban neighborhoods around the West. LA has a ton of them.
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Yes, there are oil derricks in LA but you'd have to look for most of them or you wouldn't know they were there. There's one in the middle of the Beverly Center but you'd never know it unless you knew where to look. There's even a museum built around a big tar pit. But thats not the same as hiking into the wilderness and expecting to see pristene panaromaic views the way nature made it and all you see instead is the pollution, lines of trucks kicking up dust and the heavy equipment stripping away the land.
 
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