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    Re: Utah national parks to open Saturday with state aid

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    The states already get the revenue that national parks bring in.... They may not get park admission fees, but they get ALL of the other revenue generated by tourists (which is 95% of the revenue to be gained by having a national park). The states are anxious to reopen these parks because their closure, particularly in a state like Utah, has a huge negative impact on tourism.

    Moreover, its actually in the states interest to have a national park rather than a state park as 1) the national government picks up the capital expenditure tab, which is huge (yet states benefit) and 2) a national park has much more panache than a state park (how many people go out of their way to go the the Adirondack park, even though it is twice as large as Yelllowstone?)
    If the states are making money from the parks, then there's even less reason why the fed needs to be involved.
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    Re: Utah national parks to open Saturday with state aid

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    Colorado isn't a blue state.

    You say that, why?

    I say its blue because the preponderance of evidence says its blue:

    Last two presidential elections - Blue
    Two Democratic US Senators - Blue
    House of Repres. 4 to 3 - Well, Red (but three of the four districts are in play, with only one blue district in play)
    Governor - Blue
    State Legislature - Blue.

    Now, a good Republican (and there aren't very many of those) could win statewide, but they better hurry, as the demographics of Colorado are also trending even more blue.

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    Re: Utah national parks to open Saturday with state aid

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Utah state parks are at least as well run as fed parks and they are not used as political pawns by power hungry presidents.



    The state wants control over federal lands simply so they can 'drill baby drill' on some the most protected scenic wildlife areas in the world and to sell off huge parcels of land to private developers. There is absolutely zero benefit for the public to sell off or let the state control their public lands. For one thing, it would raise state taxes, the public would never see the profits, and if the land is sold they wouldn't have access to it anymore. So what would be the point...what is the benefit for the public? After all, it is their land and it should stay that way for future generations to enjoy.

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    Re: Utah national parks to open Saturday with state aid

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Sure they would. I am sure there are no state parks right now, they are ll parking lots.

    We don't need the all powerful federal government to manage state land.


    Nope, we don't need the state to manage federal land and we don't need some outsider telling us what is best for our state, either.
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    Re: Utah national parks to open Saturday with state aid

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    The state wants control over federal lands simply so they can 'drill baby drill' on some the most protected scenic wildlife areas in the world and to sell off huge parcels of land to private developers. There is absolutely zero benefit for the public to sell off or let the state control their public lands. For one thing, it would raise state taxes, the public would never see the profits, and if the land is sold they wouldn't have access to it anymore. So what would be the point...what is the benefit for the public? After all, it is their land and it should stay that way for future generations to enjoy.
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    Re: Utah national parks to open Saturday with state aid

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It's not public land; it belongs to the federal government and the US President. They are the boss, not you.America, Your Vacation Wonderland! | National Review Online
    There's always two sides to every story.....


    ".....Yellowstone spokesman Al Nash said rangers didn't confine guests to the lodge but might have been on foot patrol nearby to prevent visitors from getting close to Old Faithful geyser and other park attractions.

    "We did not have people stationed at lodging facilities for any reason," Nash said. "The immediate area at the inn, the restaurant, the adjacent stores and gift shops would have been accessible, but we did close the boardwalk and the hiking trails in the area. And they all remain closed."

    As for the armed rangers, Nash said most of the rangers who were not furloughed are the ones who normally carry firearms.

    He said all visitors in the park when it closed were given the same message.

    "Boardwalks through thermal areas were closed, hiking trails were closed, and that people were not permitted to drive through the park and sightsee and take photographs. That was a consistent message shared with all visitors who were in the park last week," Nash said. "Our contacts all started with an apology."....read......

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    “This is not the fault of any federal agency,” she said. “It’s the fault of Congress.”...read....

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    Personally, I think the federal government does a fantastic job managing the National Parks. It is one of the few things they do right.

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    Re: Utah national parks to open Saturday with state aid

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    States are free to have their own state parks. New York, California, New Hampshire, Colorado, New Jersey and Massachusetts (funny... all blue states) do quite well this almost. Almost 1/3 of New York is a New York park.

    http://www.rff.org/RFF/Documents/RFF...te%20Parks.pdf

    Then there are things that are national treasures, like the Grand Canyon or Arches, that need to be preserved for all Americans.
    Only if Americans decide it. The federal govt does not have the power to declare land that is part of a state as a national treasure owned by the federal govt.

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    Re: Utah national parks to open Saturday with state aid

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    There's always two sides to every story.....Personally, I think the federal government does a fantastic job managing the National Parks. It is one of the few things they do right.
    Oh yes."....people were not permitted to drive through the park and sightsee and take photographs".

    Not allowed to sightsee or take photographs?

    Personally I believe the tourists, not the brownshirts.

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    Re: Utah national parks to open Saturday with state aid

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Only if Americans decide it. The federal govt does not have the power to declare land that is part of a state as a national treasure owned by the federal govt.
    They will take the power and there is nothing you can do about it. They won't even allow you to photograph it if they should so decide.

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    Re: Utah national parks to open Saturday with state aid

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    They will take the power and there is nothing you can do about it. They won't even allow you to photograph it if they should so decide.
    I think some veterans in DC are showing otherwise today.

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