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    Re: Utah national parks to open Saturday with state aid

    [QUOTE=mike2810;1062417825]States provide fire protection for lands they manage.
    Feds do for lands they manage.
    Cooperative agreements exist. Cost agreements are generally set so State pays for use of Federal resources. Feds pay for use of State/local resources. Fires involving multiple land ownership, cost sharing is generally broken down by percent ownership of the fire boundaries.
    Yes, States can apply for federal disaster aid.

    My point, as it exists today if the States took over the management of federal lands, the State would assume the protection costs.[/QUOTE]

    They would also get the revenue that land brings in.

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    Re: Utah national parks to open Saturday with state aid

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    The states would tear down paradise and put up a parking lot.
    Like they have in their state parks? You are stuck in the 60s.

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    Re: Utah national parks to open Saturday with state aid

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    to some extent I can agree.
    However, most States could not afford the wildfire suppression costs. State taxes would go sky high or Feds would have to pick up the tab.
    Wildfire suppression isn't a power of the federal govt. Either they find a way to pay for it themselves, or move out of the area. Why is it my job to pay for Utah?

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    Re: Utah national parks to open Saturday with state aid

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Wildfire suppression isn't a power of the federal govt. Either they find a way to pay for it themselves, or move out of the area. Why is it my job to pay for Utah?
    it is on federal lands.

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    Re: Utah national parks to open Saturday with state aid

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    The states would tear down paradise and put up a parking lot.
    So what? Its their land.

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    Re: Utah national parks to open Saturday with state aid

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    The LDS plan for the worst and hope for the best. They sure are busy little bees. lol

    Utah does have some beautiful landscapes, thats for sure. The problem with the state controling so much wilderness is they don't have the funding to adequately manage it or the incentive to clean up the mess after an oil or mining company destroys the land. For instance, there's still a mountain of uranium mine tailings from the 1950s sitting there on the banks of the Colorado River near Moab. Thats how the state would manage public land. Finally, in 2001 the Federal government took over and are now in the process of removing and relocating the uranium. They hope to be done by 2019.
    You do realize that it was the FEDS that encouraged in fact demanded the unregulated uranium mining for their nuke program don't you?

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    Re: Utah national parks to open Saturday with state aid

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    The states would tear down paradise and put up a parking lot.
    Sure they would. I am sure there are no state parks right now, they are ll parking lots.

    We don't need the all powerful federal government to manage state land.

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    Re: Utah national parks to open Saturday with state aid

    Quote Originally Posted by Republic Now! View Post
    It's ridiculous that the states must await permission from the fed to maintain public land in their own state. I'd much rather public parks be funded by state governments than the federal government.
    States are free to have their own state parks. New York, California, New Hampshire, Colorado, New Jersey and Massachusetts (funny... all blue states) do quite well this almost. Almost 1/3 of New York is a New York park.

    http://www.rff.org/RFF/Documents/RFF...te%20Parks.pdf

    Then there are things that are national treasures, like the Grand Canyon or Arches, that need to be preserved for all Americans.
    Last edited by upsideguy; 10-13-13 at 01:40 PM.

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    Re: Utah national parks to open Saturday with state aid

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    States provide fire protection for lands they manage.
    Feds do for lands they manage.
    Cooperative agreements exist. Cost agreements are generally set so State pays for use of Federal resources. Feds pay for use of State/local resources. Fires involving multiple land ownership, cost sharing is generally broken down by percent ownership of the fire boundaries.
    Yes, States can apply for federal disaster aid.

    [B]My point, as it exists today if the States took over the management of federal lands, the State would assume the protection costs.
    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    They would also get the revenue that land brings in.
    The states already get the revenue that national parks bring in.... They may not get park admission fees, but they get ALL of the other revenue generated by tourists (which is 95% of the revenue to be gained by having a national park). The states are anxious to reopen these parks because their closure, particularly in a state like Utah, has a huge negative impact on tourism.

    Moreover, its actually in the states interest to have a national park rather than a state park as 1) the national government picks up the capital expenditure tab, which is huge (yet states benefit) and 2) a national park has much more panache than a state park (how many people go out of their way to go the the Adirondack park, even though it is twice as large as Yelllowstone?)
    Last edited by upsideguy; 10-13-13 at 01:40 PM.

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    Re: Utah national parks to open Saturday with state aid

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    States are free to have their own state parks. New York, California, New Hampshire, Colorado, New Jersey and Massachusetts (funny... all blue states) do quite well this almost. Almost 1/3 of New York is a New York park.

    http://www.rff.org/RFF/Documents/RFF...te%20Parks.pdf

    Then there are things that are national treasures, like the Grand Canyon or Arches, that need to be preserved for all Americans.
    Colorado isn't a blue state.
    One who makes himself a worm cannot complain when tread upon.

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