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    Re: Utah national parks to open Saturday with state aid

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    You are the one that wants to expand park buffer zones to the Canadian border not me.
    You're the one telling me that my state needs to drill baby drill.

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    Re: Utah national parks to open Saturday with state aid

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    You're the one telling me that my state needs to drill baby drill.
    Drill, mine and log. You are the one that uses the resources all those industries but wants to stop them. Your house is made from all those resources industries you hate, you do know that don't you?

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    Re: Utah national parks to open Saturday with state aid

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Drill, mine and log. You are the one that uses the resources all those industries but wants to stop them. Your house is made from all those resources industries you hate, you do know that don't you?
    Yes, I want to stop them from drilling and mining in or near National Parks and protected wild lands. Ooo, I'm so bad.

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    Re: Utah national parks to open Saturday with state aid

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Yes, I want to stop them from drilling and mining in or near National Parks and protected wild lands. Ooo, I'm so bad.
    There is a difference between National Parks, Wilderness areas and BLM land. As for drilling in National Parks, it's a balance issue. No one comes to the national parks to see and experience natural gas seepage. If that resource can be cleanly extracted without destroying the Park for generations to come, makes no sense to let it go fallow.

    Not to mention, gold panning and small sluice mining has been allowed in National Parks since their inception.

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    Re: Utah national parks to open Saturday with state aid

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Yes, I want to stop them from drilling and mining in or near National Parks and protected wild lands. Ooo, I'm so bad.
    I asked you before to define "near" and you said clear to my house by the Canadian border, care to try again?

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    Re: Utah national parks to open Saturday with state aid

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    There is a difference between National Parks, Wilderness areas and BLM land. As for drilling in National Parks, it's a balance issue. No one comes to the national parks to see and experience natural gas seepage. If that resource can be cleanly extracted without destroying the Park for generations to come, makes no sense to let it go fallow.

    Not to mention, gold panning and small sluice mining has been allowed in National Parks since their inception.
    Personally I'm against any big industry in national parks even big tourist industry like these huge lodges they have but outside the border is outside the border, a hundred feet or a hundred miles it makes no difference to me.

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    Re: Utah national parks to open Saturday with state aid

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    There is a difference between National Parks, Wilderness areas and BLM land. As for drilling in National Parks, it's a balance issue. No one comes to the national parks to see and experience natural gas seepage. If that resource can be cleanly extracted without destroying the Park for generations to come, makes no sense to let it go fallow.

    Not to mention, gold panning and small sluice mining has been allowed in National Parks since their inception.
    The oil has been in the ground for millions of years and it's not going to fallow just because it's not drilled out tomorrow. lol

    Panning for gold is a far cry from strip mining and fracking, don't you think?

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    Re: Utah national parks to open Saturday with state aid

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I asked you before to define "near" and you said clear to my house by the Canadian border, care to try again?
    Thats fine with me, so whats your problem? Don't you want the oil drilling, fracking and strip mining near your house?

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    Re: Utah national parks to open Saturday with state aid

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    The oil has been in the ground for millions of years and it's not going to fallow just because it's not drilled out tomorrow. lol

    Panning for gold is a far cry from strip mining and fracking, don't you think?
    Sure, but where did I mention using either method of extraction in this case? And there are oil pumping derricks in suburban neighborhoods around the West. LA has a ton of them.

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    Re: Utah national parks to open Saturday with state aid

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Sure, but where did I mention using either method of extraction in this case? And there are oil pumping derricks in suburban neighborhoods around the West. LA has a ton of them.
    Yes, there are oil derricks in LA but you'd have to look for most of them or you wouldn't know they were there. There's one in the middle of the Beverly Center but you'd never know it unless you knew where to look. There's even a museum built around a big tar pit. But thats not the same as hiking into the wilderness and expecting to see pristene panaromaic views the way nature made it and all you see instead is the pollution, lines of trucks kicking up dust and the heavy equipment stripping away the land.

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