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    Re: Utah national parks to open Saturday with state aid

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    My brother once asked me what to expect with logging when going to Yellowstone/Grand Teton in the National Forests and 'near' their boundaries..
    With a wide-panorama, he saw the clear-cuts..
    Closer-up, he would see a thin strip of trees along the edge of a road with grotesque clear-cuts.
    I've seen that, too. But in all fairness to Yellowstone, the park was decimated by a forest fire a few years ago and now some sort of pine beetle is killing the rest of the trees. The devastation is just beyond belief until you see it for yourself.

    But if you want to see something really disturbing check out the forests in British Colombia on Google earth. You'll see huge swaths of barren circles where forests used to be.

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    Re: Utah national parks to open Saturday with state aid

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    No, but the federal government does, so its moot.

    Isn't all territory acquired via war illegally acquired?
    You said it was an act of Congress, not the govt. And no.

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    Re: Utah national parks to open Saturday with state aid

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    You said it was an act of Congress, not the govt. And no.
    National parks are created by an Act of Congress, and then administered (run) by the National Park Service, which is an agency of the Department of Interior.

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    Re: Utah national parks to open Saturday with state aid

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Congress doesnt have the power to run parks, so its moot. The federal govt is allowed to have DC for the seat of the govt, purchase land from states for military structures, and make rules regarding the things they own. Thats it. Nothing about aquiring land from states for preservation or recreation. Utah was territory illegaly aquired during the MExican War, and then the people of Utah owned it. The federal govt did not own any of the land when it became a state. There were no parks.
    When the Mormons first migrated to SL valley it was Mexican Territory. They never "owned it". As part of the treaty signed after the Mexican American War....the US "bought" the cession territory from Mexico....actually they just deducted the money from the Mexico's debt owed to the US.


    "....The United States also paid $15,000,000 ($298,310,309 in 2005 dollars) for the land, and agreed to assume $3.25 million in debts to US citizens.[2] While technically the territory was purchased by the United States, the $15 million payment was simply credited against Mexico's enormous debt towards the U.S. at that time...."
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    Later, the Missouri Compromise divided up the ceded territory which in part became the Utah territory and included the entire Great Basin region. Utah didn't become a state for at least another 45 years after that. To this day the federal government still "owns" over 3/4 of the land inside the borders of the state of Utah.
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    Re: Utah national parks to open Saturday with state aid

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    But if you want to see something really disturbing check out the forests in British Colombia on Google earth. You'll see huge swaths of barren circles where forests used to be.
    You are so spot on with the Canadian forests..
    Canada, all of it, isexhibit A on how to decimate your natural resources..
    Last time I was on Icefields Parkway in Alberta, the # of grizzly was said to be below the in-breeding # of 500..
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    Re: Utah national parks to open Saturday with state aid

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    You are so spot on with the Canadian forests..
    Canada, all of it, isexhibit A on how to decimate your natural resources..
    Last time I was on Icefields Parkway in Alberta, the # of grizzly was said to be below the in-breeding # of 500..
    You asked the guy on the next stool? Grizzly bear numbers in Alberta much higher than thought, despite environmentalists’ claims: study | National Post

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    127 Grizzly bears in southwestern Alberta, given the size of the area, that is not a large number of bears now is it
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    Re: Utah national parks to open Saturday with state aid

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    I've seen that, too. But in all fairness to Yellowstone, the park was decimated by a forest fire a few years ago and now some sort of pine beetle is killing the rest of the trees. The devastation is just beyond belief until you see it for yourself.
    Part of the problem is that they didn't want old trees to be cut, making the area very vulnerable to forest fires.

    But if you want to see something really disturbing check out the forests in British Colombia on Google earth. You'll see huge swaths of barren circles where forests used to be.
    Any idea how that happened and what's being done about it?

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    Re: Utah national parks to open Saturday with state aid

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
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    127 Grizzly bears in southwestern Alberta, given the size of the area, that is not a large number of bears now is it
    If you read the article it is described as a 'sliver' of land and not the entire province or all of SW Alberta.

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    If the guy on the next stool is an RMCP and Canadian Park Ranger, you would be right..
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