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    Re: Utah national parks to open Saturday with state aid

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    I believe she is saying that Utah would 'privatize' the National Parks, though I must say they have had some pretty good Governors in my 40 years going out there.
    Well she is full of crap.

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    Re: Utah national parks to open Saturday with state aid

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Well she is full of crap.
    Wrong thread. We're talking about exploding toilets elsewhere.

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    Re: Utah national parks to open Saturday with state aid

    Amen to this one Sister Moot..
    How about the idiots who don't take enough water to the bottom of the Grand Canyon and must be life-flighted out..
    A new one I've noticed is "squatters" on BLM land abutting Natl Forests leaving trash, drawing Bear near Natl Forest campgrounds.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Tourists aren't all they're cracked up to be. Even when the park is open they tend not to follow the rules and leave their garbage around and put themselves and others in danger. Every year we hear about some tourist getting lost, or stranded on a cliff ledge or getting too close to the buffalo and the bears. Some tourists are just rude, obnoxious assholes and think the world should revolve around them. I suspect that's the case for most of those tourists complaining the loudest.
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    Trying to find a middle ground around here reminds me of being the oldest child when I was younger and refereeing between Mom and Dad..
    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Well she is full of crap.
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    Re: Utah national parks to open Saturday with state aid

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    The Antideficiency Act

    The reason the national parks are shut down right now
    No, the reason the parks are shut down is because the Democrats refused to fund them, despite a Republican offer to fund federal parks as well as Veterans Affairs.

    This land is our land, it sure ainít your land
    From downtown DC to the Lake Mead shoreland
    From the Arctic Refuge to the Gulf Stream waters
    This land is closed to you and yours

    So donít go cruisiní that endless Skyline
    And quit your fishiní, put down that fly line
    Donít pay respects to your countryís war heroes
    Their land is closed to you and yours

    Donít even look at that view of Rushmore
    Donít volunteer now, you need to hush more
    Donít even think of parking near George Washingtonís
    This land is closed to you and yours

    This land is our land, it sure ainít your land
    From Cuyahoga to the old Claude Moore land
    From the Blue Ridge Mountains to the yellow police tape
    Red lines are made for you, not Assad.

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    Re: Utah national parks to open Saturday with state aid

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    So you are changing the subject from national parks to all fed lands or are you saying Utah would turn Arches into a parking lot? As I showed you earlier Utah has a great record for protecting its most scenic treasures.
    The state would do a lot worse, they'd take bribes and kickbacks from the energy companies to allow an oil rig to operate right next to Delicate Arch.


    "....A month ago, Redford, a trustee of the National Resources Defense Council, voiced support for a federal lawsuit aimed at blocking the Bush administration's "morally criminal" attempt to auction 103,000 acres of scenic redrock desert for oil and gas drilling near Arches and Canyonlands national parks and Dinosaur National Monument....<snip>.....

    CORE's ties: In July, the Congress of Racial Equality joined with the High-Impact Leadership Coalition to advocate for increased U.S. domestic oil and gas production through the "Stop the War on the Poor" campaign.

    Last month, the two groups announced their "don't freeze us out" campaign to support the Bush administration auction in Utah of oil and gas leases, some near national parks.

    The Leadership Coalition is affiliated with Americans for American Energy, according to SourceWatch, a nonprofit watchdog supported by the left-leaning Center for Media and Democracy.

    Americans for American Energy is headed by Coloradan Jim Sims, who also runs the Western Business Roundtable. Former Utah lawmaker Aaron Tilton is an AAE officer. He, Sims and Utah Rep. Mike Noel, R-Kanab, brought Innis to the Utah Legislature last year to argue for more energy development, shortly after AAE circulated an electronic missive linking wilderness supporters with Osama bin Laden, Venezuela President Hugo Chavez and Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

    Western Business Roundtable's board of trustees includes Questar Market Resources Inc., Rio Tinto, Peabody Coal, Shell Oil and Western Fuels Association.....read....

    Utah Local News - Salt Lake City News, Sports, Archive - The Salt Lake Tribune

    Tea party Rep. Mike Noel is one of the more vociferous and obnoxious voices for the state to take over federal land...but as you can see above he has strong ties to oil and gas money.
    Last edited by Moot; 10-13-13 at 07:56 PM.

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    Re: Utah national parks to open Saturday with state aid

    In its entirety, I would put Utah a shade ahead of Colorado for incredible "Mother Nature" features..
    If people point out some of Utah's desert, I point out Eastern Colorado, especially the part that wants to secede.
    Its good we are talking about what great gifts our Nation provides us.
    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I have gone to Utah for vacations for 30 years and been all over the state but I always end up around Moab riding slick rock. Freakin beautiful state!
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    Re: Utah national parks to open Saturday with state aid

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    The state would do worse, they'd take bribes and kickbacks from the energy companies to allow an oil rig to operate right next to Delicate Arch.




    "....A month ago, Redford, a trustee of the National Resources Defense Council, voiced support for a federal lawsuit aimed at blocking the Bush administration's "morally criminal" attempt to auction 103,000 acres of scenic redrock desert for oil and gas drilling near Arches and Canyonlands national parks and Dinosaur National Monument....<snip>.....

    CORE's ties: In July, the Congress of Racial Equality joined with the High-Impact Leadership Coalition to advocate for increased U.S. domestic oil and gas production through the "Stop the War on the Poor" campaign.

    Last month, the two groups announced their "don't freeze us out" campaign to support the Bush administration auction in Utah of oil and gas leases, some near national parks.

    The Leadership Coalition is affiliated with Americans for American Energy, according to SourceWatch, a nonprofit watchdog supported by the left-leaning Center for Media and Democracy.

    Americans for American Energy is headed by Coloradan Jim Sims, who also runs the Western Business Roundtable. Former Utah lawmaker Aaron Tilton is an AAE officer. He, Sims and Utah Rep. Mike Noel, R-Kanab, brought Innis to the Utah Legislature last year to argue for more energy development, shortly after AAE circulated an electronic missive linking wilderness supporters with Osama bin Laden, Venezuela President Hugo Chavez and Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

    Western Business Roundtable's board of trustees includes Questar Market Resources Inc., Rio Tinto, Peabody Coal, Shell Oil and Western Fuels Association.....read....

    Utah Local News - Salt Lake City News, Sports, Archive - The Salt Lake Tribune


    Rep. Mike Noel is one of the more vociferous and obnoxious voices for the state to take over federal land...but as you can see above he has strong ties to the oil and gas money.
    I see no problem with doing things NEAR parks or wilderness. Just how far should this buffer zone extend in your opinion? One mile? Ten miles? A hundred miles???? The boundary is the boundary.

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    Re: Utah national parks to open Saturday with state aid

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    In its entirety, I would put Utah a shade ahead of Colorado for incredible "Mother Nature" features..
    If people point out some of Utah's desert, I point out Eastern Colorado, especially the part that wants to secede.
    Its good we are talking about what great gifts our Nation provides us.
    Oregon kicks ass in that regard. Deserts, mountains, shoreline, forests and green, green, green.

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    Re: Utah national parks to open Saturday with state aid

    Most tourists from the midwest and east have no clue to the intensity of mineral rights fights in the 'InterMountain West', beginning with water..
    As a younger tourist, I learned how Idaho potato farmers actually own all water rights to Jackson lake in Wyoming, within the Grand Tetons, and how it happened..
    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    The state would do a lot worse, they'd take bribes and kickbacks from the energy companies to allow an oil rig to operate right next to Delicate Arch.





    Rep. Mike Noel is one of the more vociferous and obnoxious voices for the state to take over federal land...but as you can see above he has strong ties to oil and gas money.
    Last edited by NIMBY; 10-13-13 at 08:04 PM.
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