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Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

Boo Radley said:
Again, that was happening before ACA. PBS did a good job of pointing out this was going to happen even if no reform was attempted. Your side is taking what has been the practice and blaming it on ACA. You will also see if you look that some states are doing a poor job, and others are doing a good job, and that is why things vary from state to state in what we're seeing. Logically, there is no reason for ACA to be causing any increase. But don't let that sway you. As I've pointed out, years before Obama was elected, we were seeing the same types of increases. Damn Obama must have time traveled in order to make that happen.
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Joe, I am going to try and respond to this on my phone so bear with me.

First, that this was happening before obamacare is pure bull! I don't think you can point to ANY time in the past where premiums for a policy have risen up to 400% along with deductible increases of the thousands we see with this. And I don't give a crap what an outlet that relies on its very existence from government, like PBS has to say on it. It's obviously a shill job. This is the federal government showing that they are not equipped to do this, and the blame game matters not on the final analysis. When all the delays and waivers expire, and this is laid bare on the people, progressives ate going to pay politically. Bank on it.

You say there is "no logical reason", and I say you are remaining willfully blind. There is NO WAY you can promise to add millions to the rolls of anything, cover more, and not have it cost more. Math is math. And the increases we are seeing today will be nothing when we compare them to next year, when we hit the realization that we have not gotten the young people in, but rather sacrificed the already insured for the older, sicker people. When that comes to light, who you gonna blame it on then? Huh?

This is a disaster, and people like you intentionally caused it. Many more will suffer for your failed ideology than would have, and it didn't have to be this way.
 
j-mac said:
Joe, I am going to try and respond to this on my phone so bear with me.

First, that this was happening before obamacare is pure bull! I don't think you can point to ANY time in the past where premiums for a policy have risen up to 400% along with deductible increases of the thousands we see with this. And I don't give a crap what an outlet that relies on its very existence from government, like PBS has to say on it. It's obviously a shill job. This is the federal government showing that they are not equipped to do this, and the blame game matters not on the final analysis. When all the delays and waivers expire, and this is laid bare on the people, progressives ate going to pay politically. Bank on it.

You say there is "no logical reason", and I say you are remaining willfully blind. There is NO WAY you can promise to add millions to the rolls of anything, cover more, and not have it cost more. Math is math. And the increases we are seeing today will be nothing when we compare them to next year, when we hit the realization that we have not gotten the young people in, but rather sacrificed the already insured for the older, sicker people. When that comes to light, who you gonna blame it on then? Huh?

This is a disaster, and people like you intentionally caused it. Many more will suffer for your failed ideology than would have, and it didn't have to be this way.
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You're four hundred % number is bunk. Mind raised 2%. Some have seen double digit. And yes, you can promise millions support when you add millions to paying premiums. If you couldn't, then insurance doesn't work in the first place.

And no, your side has hyped it to the point of being wildly inaccurate.
 
Boo Radley said:
You're four hundred % number is bunk. Mind raised 2%. Some have seen double digit. And yes, you can promise millions support when you add millions to paying premiums. If you couldn't, then insurance doesn't work in the first place.

And no, your side has hyped it to the point of being wildly inaccurate.
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Your insurance is but one employer offered policy in the whole US. Not the norm either. Mine is going up from $200 per month, to $300 per month in Janurary...And I am worried we may get cancelled when the waiver expires....Thanks Obama. As for more in the pool, so more coverage, you don't know how many younger, healthier people are going to sign up, and further, those enrolled now, haven't for the most part even paid for, and can't pay for their plans because that part of the site is not built yet....:shock: So, you think premiums are bad this year, I say yes, wait til next year when the price is set by actuarial data....It is going to be pitchfork time.

As for "my side hyping".... It is politics Joe....Good grief, I find it amazing that when a Republican is in office, you libs can lie, smear, and say the most outrageous things, but when a demo is in, and repubs use your own tactics against you, y'all squeal like stuck pigs. Hypocrites.
 
j-mac said:
Joe, I am going to try and respond to this on my phone so bear with me.

First, that this was happening before obamacare is pure bull! I don't think you can point to ANY time in the past where premiums for a policy have risen up to 400% along with deductible increases of the thousands we see with this. And I don't give a crap what an outlet that relies on its very existence from government, like PBS has to say on it. It's obviously a shill job. This is the federal government showing that they are not equipped to do this, and the blame game matters not on the final analysis. When all the delays and waivers expire, and this is laid bare on the people, progressives ate going to pay politically. Bank on it.

You say there is "no logical reason", and I say you are remaining willfully blind. There is NO WAY you can promise to add millions to the rolls of anything, cover more, and not have it cost more. Math is math. And the increases we are seeing today will be nothing when we compare them to next year, when we hit the realization that we have not gotten the young people in, but rather sacrificed the already insured for the older, sicker people. When that comes to light, who you gonna blame it on then? Huh?

This is a disaster, and people like you intentionally caused it. Many more will suffer for your failed ideology than would have, and it didn't have to be this way.
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Again, your 400% number is false. Not sure where you're reading the nonsense, or how such a silly number is being promoted, but it's bunk.

Now as for me, yes, we're one place. But the state is on par. California isn't doing as well, but not because of anything in ACA. They are simply doing a poor job adapting. Again, this is giving states the right to be stupid. You support that as I recall.

And I've already addressed the adding millions. You also add millions of customers paying premiums. Many not ill. This is the basic premise behind insurance. The well negate the ill. So, I'm the opposite of being blind. I know how it works. Try to address this.
 
Boo Radley said:
Again, your 400% number is false. Not sure where you're reading the nonsense, or how such a silly number is being promoted, but it's bunk.

Now as for me, yes, we're one place. But the state is on par. California isn't doing as well, but not because of anything in ACA. They are simply doing a poor job adapting. Again, this is giving states the right to be stupid. You support that as I recall.

And I've already addressed the adding millions. You also add millions of customers paying premiums. Many not ill. This is the basic premise behind insurance. The well negate the ill. So, I'm the opposite of being blind. I know how it works. Try to address this.
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How many have paid their premium? Give me a number.
 
j-mac said:
Why must liberals make a person ask a question 5 times before they get an answer?
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Maybe it's because you don't ask they question you mean to ask. You do realize nothing's really happened yet, so your question has no context at all.
 
a351 said:
His intellectual abilities pertaining to medicine are beyond question. His political philosophy thus far has proven to be absolutely cartoonish. Not all who are successful in other venues have a firm grasp on political or historical reality. Donald Trump immediately comes to mind.
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Yeah right..

The simple fact he voids from the collectivist movement is enough...

I'm sick of the "you don't think like us" collectivist arguments...
 
Boo Radley said:
Maybe it's because you don't ask they question you mean to ask. You do realize nothing's really happened yet, so your question has no context at all.
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Really?

Why do you think government is great?
 
The German said:
roads, cops, firemen, army, navy, air force, sewers, water, sanitation, hospitals, ecetera ecetera.
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And only government can do those jobs? In fact private enterprise often handles them jobs much better.
 
Somebody needs to drag this thread out into the street and shoot it.
 
Boo Radley said:
Maybe it's because you don't ask they question you mean to ask.
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So, now you are going to tell me what I meant to ask eh? What an arrogant post.

You do realize nothing's really happened yet, so your question has no context at all.
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Oh there are some things that have happened, and they are not good.
 
The German said:
roads, cops, firemen, army, navy, air force, sewers, water, sanitation, hospitals, ecetera ecetera.
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Roads - Constitutionally mandated

Cops - Local issue

Firemen - Local issue, in many places volunteers

Armed services - Constitutionally mandated

Water/Sewer - Local issue

Sanitation - Local issue, and in many cases paid for privately.

Hospitals - Local issue...

You are making a common mistake of melding local, or community issues with Federal government mandates....It is dishonest.
 
j-mac said:
Roads - Constitutionally mandated

Cops - Local issue

Firemen - Local issue, in many places volunteers

Armed services - Constitutionally mandated

Water/Sewer - Local issue

Sanitation - Local issue, and in many cases paid for privately.

Hospitals - Local issue...

You are making a common mistake of melding local, or community issues with Federal government mandates....It is dishonest.
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Nope. I am listing what is government managed where I live.
 
The German said:
Nope. I am listing what is government managed where I live.
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I don't care if it is where you live or not, you are inaccurate in what you say is Government run....What we are talking about in this thread is a Federal Government issue, and you are lumping in all government all the way down to the local level as the same thing...it is not. Therefore, untrue.

Plus, do you think that all places do the things done where you live? That is rather limited thinking is it not?
 
j-mac said:
I don't care if it is where you live or not, you are inaccurate in what you say is Government run....What we are talking about in this thread is a Federal Government issue, and you are lumping in all government all the way down to the local level as the same thing...it is not. Therefore, untrue.

Plus, do you think that all places do the things done where you live? That is rather limited thinking is it not?
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O rly!?

Does it make that much of a difference if a part of inferstructure is managed by a federal or local government???

The funding is still federal, and permits are as far as I know usualy also federal.
 
The German said:
O rly!?

Does it make that much of a difference if a part of inferstructure is managed by a federal or local government???
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Yes...Tons of difference....First we have to consider what it is that the Federal Government is constitutionally mandated to do. Remember, we have a LIMITED government. They are bound by the constitution to only those things listed to their powers. The rest are relegated to the respective states.

See, I think you have our system backwards. The federal government derives their power from the consent of the people, which means the states, not the other way around.

The funding is still federal, and permits are as far as I know usualy also federal.
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You could probably show some of what you claim to be true in a convoluted way, but just because our Federal government has overstepped their constitutional bounds and bought power with taxpayer money, to turn the system on its head, is of no concern....That is NOT the way is was founded to be.
 
The German said:
Nope. I am listing what is government managed where I live.
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You don't actually understand the Conservative position on separation of powers.
 
The German said:
O rly!?

Does it make that much of a difference if a part of inferstructure is managed by a federal or local government???
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YES. It's amazing how some people can grasp the danger of monopolies in the private sector and be so absurdly blind to it in the public sector.

The funding is still federal, and permits are as far as I know usualy also federal.
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False and False. Federal funding for roads go towards the interstate highway system, not surface roads that you use most of the time.
 
jmotivator said:
YES. It's amazing how some people can grasp the danger of monopolies in the private sector and be so absurdly blind to it in the public sector.



False and False. Federal funding for roads go towards the interstate highway system, not surface roads that you use most of the time.
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Ahhhhh!!! I appologise.


I understand now, we call that "Föderalismus".
 
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