• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

Travis007 said:
Please never vote.. or better yet move to Europe, they have the utopia you dream of today..LOL...
Click to expand...

Hi Travis! I've missed your always witty, insightful, helpful, and above all intelligent comments. I look forward to being continuously bested by your absolutely thrashing arguments.
 
Verax said:
I didn't vote because I'm not in a swing state, however if I did I would have voted for Obama.

Why? Because he is not a Republican. Republicans have this idea if we fall over ourselves helping those that are already doing extremely well do extremely well + %10 it will fix our problems with a golden shower of prosperity trickling down to the masses. It is blatantly obvious if you look at the last 40 years this hasn't happened. We've already tried this experiment, all it does is help the people at the very top and everyone else remains stuck.

Now, its pretty apparent Dems are sleezy too. There is one party, the business party, it has two wings called the Dems and Repubs. The Dems atleast talk about doing the right thing. Whether or not they actually will do it is another question. The Republicans outright tell you they are going to pummel the middle class to death and worship the rich.

So who am I supposed to support?
Click to expand...

Well, currently you purport that you would support the democrats simply because they lie to you. I'm not sure I follow your logic on that one.
 
Verax said:
Hi Travis! I've missed your always witty, insightful, helpful, and above all intelligent comments. I look forward to being continuously bested by your absolutely thrashing arguments.
Click to expand...

Youre an Obamabot..dont you have to wipe the gruel off Bidens lip or refill Pelosi's mind altering prescriptions...??

if you want a real joke look at the U6 numbers under Barry Soetero..
 
CycloneWanderer said:
Well, currently you purport that you would support the democrats simply because they lie to you. I'm not sure I follow your logic on that one.
Click to expand...

There is no logic.. hence the "progressive" lean... LOL
 
j-mac said:
Accuracy, is obviously subjective to you considering your reliance of Stewart as a source.
Click to expand...

No, it isn't. But I don't use Stewart as a source, other than a humorous one. Using Fox or MSNBC political entertainers, or American non-thinker or NRO or National Review or any liberal equivalent is much sillier than using the humor that nails a point. ;)
 
ksu_aviator said:
You fail to state how that short coming justifies government intervention. Why should an individual's debt become society's lean?
Click to expand...

Matter of opinion here. I think when I point how your neighbors illness can and often does bled over to others, possibly you, and how community health effects a community, I am stating how it justifies a community (government) intervention. The debt, which also gets passed on to you no matter how we look at it, is also a concern. It doesn't just vanish. That to, as with the rationale behind car insurance, justifies a community (government) intervention.
 
Travis007 said:
There is no logic.. hence the "progressive" lean... LOL
Click to expand...

No need to be snarky, I wasn't trying to be condescending towards Verax or a group he self-affiliates with. It just seems counterintuitive to me that one would support a group simply because they lie instead of tell the truth. Attacks towards groups like this only muddle the conversation as it gets people to react defensively with emotion rather than logic. I, in making my observation, am relying on Verax being a logical and rational person to be able to understand the import of the observation. He didn't go out and vote, which indicates that he may not have done much research on his position and that his position may be shifted with logical debate.

Personally, I think there are probably other reasons why Verax would preferred to have voted democrat. That is probably the most likely outcome of this comment - his detailling of additional reasons for preffering to have supported the current administration during the previous election. Most people don't consciously choose to be illogical, it just happens because they don't think about it (and if he wasn't planning on voting, what would have been the point of wasting the time thinking about it?).

Now, I don't know much about Verax. He very well could prove himself to be illogical and unreasonable. But I'd rather give him the benefit of the doubt before labelling and demeaning him. I'm not trying to be preachy; I just know the blind supporters can make one cynical over time around here and that can sometimes be taken out on bystanders.
 
ChezC3 said:
Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery « CBS DC

Yes, it is that bad...
Click to expand...

Obamacare is de facto slavery...

Under Obamacare our government dictates absolutely everything - from who we choose as our doctors to our general health...

Wait until the government starts using "healthcare costs" as a reason to start banning products, claiming that certain products contribute to certain health risks...

Obamacare opens the door for the government to regulate anything and everything - including people...

The power and "back doors" for the government to legislate and control the people has not even been realized yet by the majority. The type of powers Obamacare grants to the government is similar to the Patriot Act.

A lot of people don't understand that Obamacare has absolutely NOTHING to do with healthcare and EVERYTHING to do with CONTROL of the people. Our government will use Obamacare as a tool to ban, regulate and control the people via dictation and they will do it claiming "healthcare costs" -- of course their goal is to dictate the economy with their bans and regulations (dictated economy er socialist economy)....

It's amazing how people cannot see this.....
 
Boo Radley said:
Matter of opinion here. I think when I point how your neighbors illness can and often does bled over to others, possibly you, and how community health effects a community, I am stating how it justifies a community (government) intervention. The debt, which also gets passed on to you no matter how we look at it, is also a concern. It doesn't just vanish. That to, as with the rationale behind car insurance, justifies a community (government) intervention.
Click to expand...

So if I buy a bunch of houses I can't pay for, should society pay my mortgage? Why should health care be treated differently than any other debt?
 
Boo Radley said:
No, it isn't. But I don't use Stewart as a source, other than a humorous one. Using Fox or MSNBC political entertainers, or American non-thinker or NRO or National Review or any liberal equivalent is much sillier than using the humor that nails a point. ;)
Click to expand...

You have used Stewart as a source before.
 
Verax said:
I didn't vote because I'm not in a swing state, however if I did I would have voted for Obama.

Why? Because he is not a Republican. Republicans have this idea if we fall over ourselves helping those that are already doing extremely well do extremely well + %10 it will fix our problems with a golden shower of prosperity trickling down to the masses. It is blatantly obvious if you look at the last 40 years this hasn't happened. We've already tried this experiment, all it does is help the people at the very top and everyone else remains stuck. Now, its pretty apparent Dems are sleezy too. There is one party, the business party, it has two wings called the Dems and Repubs. The Dems atleast talk about doing the right thing. Whether or not they actually will do it is another question. The Republicans outright tell you they are going to pummel the middle class to death and worship the rich. So who am I supposed to support?
Click to expand...
Vote for the most qualified experienced candidate with a proven track record and never mind the party. That's the only way to get out of the party politics that is galvanizing and, in the process, might ultimately destroy the country.
 
Boo Radley said:
No, it isn't. But I don't use Stewart as a source, other than a humorous one. Using Fox or MSNBC political entertainers, or American non-thinker or NRO or National Review or any liberal equivalent is much sillier than using the humor that nails a point. ;)
Click to expand...
Who do you use as a source? Mother Jones perhaps?
 
ksu_aviator said:
So if I buy a bunch of houses I can't pay for, should society pay my mortgage? Why should health care be treated differently than any other debt?
Click to expand...

I don't know who said it first but it's a good analogy for Obamacare and all the other 'fair' programs. A fellow goes into MacDonalds, orders four Happy Meals and tells the cashier, "The guy behind me will pay for this".
 
Mr.Nick said:
Obamacare is de facto slavery...

Under Obamacare our government dictates absolutely everything - from who we choose as our doctors to our general health...

Wait until the government starts using "healthcare costs" as a reason to start banning products, claiming that certain products contribute to certain health risks...

Obamacare opens the door for the government to regulate anything and everything - including people...

The power and "back doors" for the government to legislate and control the people has not even been realized yet by the majority. The type of powers Obamacare grants to the government is similar to the Patriot Act.

A lot of people don't understand that Obamacare has absolutely NOTHING to do with healthcare and EVERYTHING to do with CONTROL of the people. Our government will use Obamacare as a tool to ban, regulate and control the people via dictation and they will do it claiming "healthcare costs" -- of course their goal is to dictate the economy with their bans and regulations (dictated economy er socialist economy)....

It's amazing how people cannot see this.....
Click to expand...

They cannot see, or refuse to get, the point.
 
Grant said:
Vote for the most qualified experienced candidate with a proven track record and never mind the party. That's the only way to get out of the party politics that is galvanizing and, in the process, might ultimately destroy the country.
Click to expand...

Romney resembles exactly what I said. He made the 47% comments about how half the country are basically losers in his mind. I'm sure he would run the U.S. like a large corporation looking for profits. Reward everyone at the top handsomely (the real workers in his eyes), cut costs (the middle class), and eliminate waste (everyone who is weak and vulnerable). This is all well and great for the top 20% but what about the rest of the people?
 
CycloneWanderer said:
Well, currently you purport that you would support the democrats simply because they lie to you. I'm not sure I follow your logic on that one.
Click to expand...

That's a bit hyperbolic, don't you think? I was more alluding to the fact that many Democrats swear allegiance to the people but are beholden to the same business interests as Republicans not to mention many of them are bought.

Overall I think far more Democrats genuinely have the interest of the general people as opposed to Republicans that almost exclusively cater to the wealthy and powerful.
 
Verax said:
Romney resembles exactly what I said. He made the 47% comments about how half the country are basically losers in his mind. I'm sure he would run the U.S. like a large corporation looking for profits. Reward everyone at the top handsomely (the real workers in his eyes), cut costs (the middle class), and eliminate waste (everyone who is weak and vulnerable). This is all well and great for the top 20% but what about the rest of the people?
Click to expand...

So what if he made a goofy comment? So dd Barrack Obama, and all the other candidates. If you commit the country to a certain course because of a foolish, and private, comment where does the country go? The statement was also true btw, which doesn't seem to matter.

You are trapped in this class warfare game and one that will only do long term harm to the country. We see the middle class shrinking because government is growing far more than necessary to run a healthy society. When that much money is sucked out of the the people to support a government they can't afford then the middle class will always be the first to suffer. Call it trickle up poverty if you will.
 
Verax said:
That's a bit hyperbolic, don't you think? I was more alluding to the fact that many Democrats swear allegiance to the people but are beholden to the same business interests as Republicans not to mention many of them are bought.

Overall I think far more Democrats genuinely have the interest of the general people as opposed to Republicans that almost exclusively cater to the wealthy and powerful.
Click to expand...

There is little evidence of that claim. Quite the opposite in fact, but one that the Democrats have certainly sold well.

When enough of the electorate feel that the interest of the people lies in increasing welfare rolls, food stamps, and dependency on the government then it might be time to start working on our 'The End is Nigh' signs.
 
Grant said:
There is little evidence of that claim. Quite the opposite in fact, but one that the Democrats have certainly sold well.

When enough of the electorate feel that the interest of the people lies in increasing welfare rolls, food stamps, and dependency on the government then it might be time to start working on our 'The End is Nigh' signs.
Click to expand...

You're saying the Republicans do NOT cater to the rich?

So if we roll back all the services to the people, what do you think would happen?
 
Verax said:
You're saying the Republicans do NOT cater to the rich?

So if we roll back all the services to the people, what do you think would happen?
Click to expand...

Services to the people? Did you mean freebies for some people?
 
Grant said:
So what if he made a goofy comment? So dd Barrack Obama, and all the other candidates. If you commit the country to a certain course because of a foolish, and private, comment where does the country go? The statement was also true btw, which doesn't seem to matter.

You are trapped in this class warfare game and one that will only do long term harm to the country. We see the middle class shrinking because government is growing far more than necessary to run a healthy society. When that much money is sucked out of the the people to support a government they can't afford then the middle class will always be the first to suffer. Call it trickle up poverty if you will.
Click to expand...

Strange logic, you defend him making a "goofy" statement that he didn't really mean then you go on to say it was true anyway which would indicate you agree with it and probably he does too...?

I'm trapped in class warfare because the people lost, a long time ago, and it is only getting worse. You advocate exacerbating wealth inequality yet I'm the one waging the war?

What exactly constitutes "big government"? Health care and military makes up 2/3rds of the budget.
 
Kobie said:
FREE STUFF FREE STUFF FREE STUFF FREE STUFF WHARRGARBL

It's like Pavlov's dog with some of you guys.
Click to expand...

"Some of you guys"? When a poster types about services in the context as written, what the hell do you think they mean? Those are not services, they are freebies plain and simple. I'm sorry if that is outside of your grasp of the post to which I responded...
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom