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Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

Hatuey said:
Nonsense. You don't have a right to profit from infrastructure set up with the taxes of others and deny patronage to the same people who make it possible.
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If you own the property then you do in fact have the right to profit from it. Just like you have the right to decide on who you will allow on the property or who you will provide service or resources to. Hell, you don't even need to own the property to have the later.

Making the claim that because the government built the roads that they get to tell property owners what to do is nonsense. Just because you provide someone a service(that I might add they didn't ask for) doesn't mean you control property that is not your own.
 
Cardinal said:
1) He does not appear to have any degrees that makes his opinion in higher regard than anyone else's.
2) This is demonstrated by his facile and ignorant views.

As neither Dr. Carson nor I hold any history degrees we seem to be more or less evenly matched in the academic area, and I appear to be at least marginally more qualified in that I can name multiple tragedies since slavery that far outweigh any negative outcomes of ACA.
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Aw, I see. You must have a degree in a particular science to understand the definition of a word. LOL. Or it's impossible to read and study history and have an understanding of it, unless you have a degree in history. LOL.
Does he posses a degree that that makes his opinion less than anyone else?

With an understanding of slavery and the word slave, his remarks were right on the money. And your opinion is noted but discarded as there is no tragedy worse than losing one's freedom.
 
Hatuey said:
They're not being forced to do anything as they set up a business with the knowledge that they are subject to certain laws by opening up that business. The crux of your argument is done away by the very laws which establishments consent to operating under when applying for licenses.
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See, your almost where you need to be on this issue. Consent. As in the "establishments consent".

The government does not have my consent to force me to toe their line on Obamadon'tcare. They left me no way to avoid falling under their laws, rules and regulations.
 
Hatuey said:
Great reply. Try opening a business, get back to me when you've seen the paperwork. Thanks.
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Do you choose to do the paper work? yes or no.

Can you choose not to fall under the requirements of Obamadon'tcare? No.
 
Mithros said:
You know.. what we really need is some sort of law that mandates that these moochers pay their fair share. And if they choose not to, then these free-loaders should pay a fine to cover some of the cost that they're passing on to us. I think something around $700 would be fair, and we'll make them pay it when they pay their taxes.

Best conservative idea ever.
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Yeah, forcing people into commerce sounds like a great idea. :roll:

Btw, besides taking the money from your refund the IRS has no way to make people pay the fine. If they fail to get the money from either you paying or them taking it from the refund they will just send you nasty letters. I hope people post some when they start rolling out. :D
 
Gaugingcatenate said:
Man, you talk about embarrassing... not one shred of real evidence in defense, proof isn't proof just 'cause you said its so...wow...now, my dad might've gotten away with that when I was a kid, 'cause, you know, he was kinda my boss and all...

But you? You spouting such feebly stupid positions fully expecting that rational people accept that? I mean, knowing you have no shame for such silliness, I am embarrassed for you.

Would suggest putting some time in on honing your reasoning skills, if you can find such, even more time on supporting your views with evidence. If you started doing that you might just find yourself changing stances as you grasp at wisps of nothing, like you did in this case, in your efforts to defend silliness.

Just saying...
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Evidence? I'm not sure I'm talking to rational people, but I have laid out reasoning. You can address the reasoning, or play the insult game. Don't much matter to me. But talking about race isn't racism. Expressing the same feelings any reasonable person would have isn't racism either. Every bit of your so called evidence can be reasonably explained. You choose to read into the what isn't there.
 
Boo Radley said:
:laughat:Evidence? I'm not sure I'm talking to rational people, but I have laid out reasoning. You can address the reasoning, or play the insult game. Don't much matter to me. But talking about race isn't racism. Expressing the same feelings any reasonable person would have isn't racism either. Every bit of your so called evidence can be reasonably explained. You choose to read into the what isn't there.:vomit:
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......... :cuckoo: You really do need to make sure you flush after you finish.... :toilet:
 
ItAin'tFree said:
Aw, I see. You must have a degree in a particular science to understand the definition of a word. LOL. Or it's impossible to read and study history and have an understanding of it, unless you have a degree in history. LOL.
Does he posses a degree that that makes his opinion less than anyone else?

With an understanding of slavery and the word slave, his remarks were right on the money. And your opinion is noted but discarded as there is no tragedy worse than losing one's freedom.
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If Carson actually believes that the ACA is worse than the Flu Pandemic (30-50 million dead), World War I (over 37 million dead), World War II (over 60 million dead), The Holocaust, The Great Depression, the Korean War (over 36,000 US deaths) the Viet Nam War (approximately 50,000 US deaths), Pol Pot, Stalin, and the countless other wars and massacres of the 20th century, then Carson not only needs to go back to school and get a degree in history, he needs to get his head thoroughly checked while he's at it.
 
Hatuey said:
Irrelevant. At no point are you forced to sign it.
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If you wish to practice your right to use your property towards a business venture you are forced to sign away your rights to do so. It should be obvious why the contract should be null and void.
 
Cardinal said:
If Carson actually believes that the ACA is worse than the Flu Pandemic (30-50 million dead), World War I (over 37 million dead), World War II (over 60 million dead), The Holocaust, The Great Depression, the Korean War (over 36,000 US deaths) the Viet Nam War (approximately 50,000 US deaths), Pol Pot, Stalin, and the countless other wars and massacres of the 20th century, then Carson not only needs to go back to school and get a degree in history, he needs to get his head thoroughly checked while he's at it.
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Anyone besides me note that with one exception (the flu) everything he listed involved people losing their freedom?

Try something else because that one did not work for you.
 
ItAin'tFree said:
Anyone besides me note that with one exception (the flu) everything he listed involved people losing their freedom?

Try something else because that one did not work for you.
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So murder and wars = slavery.

Right-o.

At least you admit the Great Flu Epidemic is worse than Obamacare. Christ on toast that's something at least.
 
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Hatuey said:
Great reply. Try opening a business, get back to me when you've seen the paperwork. Thanks.
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There are these guys, for a relatively modest fee they do this for you, they're called Lawyers. You're Welcome.

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ChezC3 said:
There are these guys, for a relatively modest fee they do this for you, they're called Lawyers. You're Welcome.

:2wave:
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Modest?:lamo
 
Gaugingcatenate said:
You know what, its now beyond that, its time we, WE THE PEOPLE, tell them, the boob and anybody else who wants to get in the way, on my side or yours...get your skinny and fat butts outta the way... you can't shove this turkey down our throats, this overly foul fowl that the boob rolled out with its feathers still on...get outta our faces with this half baked idea.

Too too many of us out here DO NOT WANT IT. Better be listening, hope you are hearing that, the country is in the mood to throw ALL Y'ALL OUT.
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The US is a plutocracy. "We the People" is irrelevant.
 
Let's just stipulate that there aren’t any provisions in obamacare, yet, that actually force you to become a slave and work on a plantation, picking cotton, for little or no pay. The left has devoted post after post to actually defend obamacare on the grounds that there is no slavery requirement in it. Wow, no slavery? I am sold!

Well, it gives government power that is nowhere in the Constitution, forces you to buy something against your will, but, hey, it doesn't bring back slavery! You should be so proud.

And remember, it's no big deal, just keep your current insurance if that's what you want to do. And, it will cut your costs by $2500, and that's not all. It's going to cut the debt. The government will go bankrupt without it!
 
Rocketman said:
bull****, Lawyers are the only ones with any money after an accident or a divorce
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but they're invaluable should you ever find yourself faced with a capital murder charge...;)
 
Boo Radley said:
However, the ad is edited so that it appears that President Obama is dismissing his grandmother as "a typical white person," and that he was unbothered by Wright's statements, although Obama explicitly condemned the comments in the speech.

President Obama Accused Of Racism Against Whites In New SuperPAC Web Ad
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Hard to keep up with just who your prevarications and dodges are meant for, eh? This post, I believe, is meant for another poster....

But I will comment.... I have listened to that speech... he threw his grandmother under the bus, his white grandmother who, unlike his Marxist [ among the many other unbecoming traits ] father, did not abandon him...took care, nurtured him, her wealth obviously allowing him a good education...was it a private school education...ahhh...but I digress...

You only have to read, or listen to the now president read to you, his own words in his own book to understand the "different" idea he has about white people... those who brought him up and others...then match that up with how he has responded to things a president should NEVER get involved with unless an actual injustice is manifestly taking place, and in the three cases I brought up, injustice manifestly was NOT taking place.

But the voluntarily blind will not see that... and with your continuing dodges and dismissives of proof positions, you have proven your total inability to see anything valid on the point.
 
solletica said:
The US is a plutocracy. "We the People" is irrelevant.
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Only if "We" allow that. Our Constitution explicitly explains who holds the true power... but that is only if we so exercise it...

I always remember in the old TV programs seeing someone, some character, driving out of control towards a cliff... they would, almost without exception, just throw up their hands and scream as they went on over the cliff...

Even as a kid I was in profound wonderment as to why they would just give up that easy, why they did not keep their hands on the wheel and try, to the very end, to control their vehicle, prevent it from going over that cliff.

So, to those of you who just throw up your hands and say, oh well, its a plutocracy... or whatever other form that might be the flavor of the day---- get your hands back on the wheel, help the rest of us who are damn well trying to right the course, prevent that pilfering of our rights by those who would, indeed will through these and other attempts, enslave us.

Ignore that at all our peril.
 
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