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Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

He's a Libertarian. What did you expect? In his mind, he's being held in chains, whipped in the hot sun, told to work for 17 hours a day, sold like cattle and his family has been sold off to the highest bidder. That's how serious people who make such claims are. They really think ACA actually amounts to physical suffering as well as social and cultural destruction.

I actually have a lot of libertarian views, mostly on the social and personal freedom side, but I am loathe to self-identify as one because if there's one thing many libertarians do these days, it's take hyperbole to absolutely ludicrous extremes. Laws are slavery, taxes are theft, and so on.
 
You dishonor my ancestors by pretending your complaints about a tax are comparable to what they went through.

Sorry, but did I call it chattel slavery? I'm not dishonoring any chattel slaves if I'm calling it involuntary servitude.
 
I actually have a lot of libertarian views, mostly on the social and personal freedom side, but I am loathe to self-identify as one because if there's one thing many libertarians do these days, it's take hyperbole to absolutely ludicrous extremes. Laws are slavery, taxes are theft, and so on.

A law can force people into service for others and thus cause slavery and any property taken without the permission of the owner is theft.
 
Sorry, but did I call it chattel slavery? I'm not dishonoring any chattel slaves if I'm calling it involuntary servitude.

Ah, backtracking. Glad to hear you have some intellectual honesty left in you. So now it's a different form of slavery. Okay, which form? Chattel slavery is the traditional form of slavery. Which slavery are you being subjected to? Bonded Labor? Nope. Forced labor? Nope. Arranged marriages? Hardly. What labor are you being forced to perform and by whom?
 
Ah, backtracking. Glad to hear you have some intellectual honesty left in you. So now it's a different form of slavery. Okay, which form? Chattel slavery is the traditional form of slavery. Which slavery are you being subjected to? Bonded Labor? Nope. Forced labor? Nope. Arranged marriages? Hardly. What labor are you being forced to perform and by whom?

I already covered that..

Chattel slavery or otherwise known as traditional slavery is not the only type of slavery. Forcing people into service for others is involuntary servitude and a type of slavery. When a business owner has to provide a service to their employee against their will that is involuntary servitude and thus slavery. Much like it's involuntary servitude to force insurance companies to provide coverage to people with pre-existing conditions. Involuntary servitude is not dependent on compensation nor does it call for the individual to be whipped, raped or threatened with death.
 
I already covered that..

I'm guessing you consider The CRA of 64' to be slavery too. What an intellectually dishonest premise you present by insulting actual slaves.
 
I'm guessing you consider The CRA of 64' to be slavery too. What an intellectually dishonest premise you present by insulting actual slaves.

Public accommodations laws are involuntary servitude.
 
Ah, you mean slavery. Any more dishonest nonsense?

Are businesses being forced to serve others by public accommodations laws? Yes.
 
Are businesses being forced to serve others by public accommodations laws? Yes.

Slaves don't usually get paid. Or at least it is not required to pay them for services rendered.
 
Are businesses being forced to serve others by public accommodations laws? Yes.

They're not being forced to do anything as they set up a business with the knowledge that they are subject to certain laws by opening up that business. The crux of your argument is done away by the very laws which establishments consent to operating under when applying for licenses.
 
So you think something is better than Obamadon'tcare but you go along with it because ...the government knows better than you?

Lot of slaves knew better, that's why they ran off.

No law is perfect. I've said from the start that the PPACA, despite its flaws, was the best we were going to get given the makeup of Congress at the time and even now! Nonetheless, I support the more rational aspects of the PPACA despite knowing the law itself is flawed. But for your information, I've petitioned my state legislatures and have written the President himself to pursue enactment of the CLASS Act in a modified form over the PPACA.
 
Slaves don't usually get paid. Or at least it is not required to pay them for services rendered.

So? Involuntary servitude is not dependent on compensation.
 
I actually have a lot of libertarian views, mostly on the social and personal freedom side, but I am loathe to self-identify as one because if there's one thing many libertarians do these days, it's take hyperbole to absolutely ludicrous extremes. Laws are slavery, taxes are theft, and so on.

OH.... you mean your a dope smoker?

no offence just having fun.
 
They're not being forced to do anything as they set up a business with the knowledge that they are subject to certain laws by opening up that business. The crux of your argument is done away by the very laws which establishments consent to operating under when applying for licenses.

Sorry, all they consented to was to start a business. Try another liberal argument.
 
If one is getting paid in exchange for a service it is not involuntary.

What? The fact that you were forced into service doesn't just get removed because you were compensated for the service.
 
Sorry, all they consented to was to start a business.

You obviously have never opened up a business. You consent to the laws and regulations applicable to that business when opening it. As the CRA'64 applies in part to public accommodations, they consent to it.
 
You obviously have never opened up a business. You consent to the laws and regulations applicable to that business when opening it. As the CRA'64 applies in part to public accommodations, they consent to it.

Sorry, but you don't.
 
What? The fact that you were forced into service doesn't just get removed because you were compensated for the service.

What are you rambling about?
 
Sorry, but you don't.

Great reply. Try opening a business, get back to me when you've seen the paperwork. Thanks.
 
What are you rambling about?

That you're wrong. If someone forces you to serve them and then they pay you for that service the fact still remains that you were forced into service.
 
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Great reply. Try opening a business, get back to me when you've seen the paperwork. Thanks.

Even if I'm wrong that would basically amount to a contract that makes people give up their rights to do business in the US. Not exactly a strong stance to support there, Hatuey.
 
That you're wrong?? If someone forces you to serve them and then they pay you for that service the fact still remains that you were forced into service.

Did someone hold a gun to your and force you t take the job? Is some one holding a gun to your head and forcing you to keep the job?
 
Even if I'm wrong

Which you are. How do I know? 7 years running a business.

that would basically amount to a contract that makes people give up their rights to do business in the US.

Nonsense. You don't have a right to profit from infrastructure set up with the taxes of others and deny patronage to the same people who make it possible.
 
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