Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

trfjr said:

and that is for life threating emergency treatment
read the dam act

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EXACTLY!!!!! And who's responsibility is it to pay for that treatment?

The amount of uncompensated care delivered by nonfederal community hospitals grew from $6.1 billion in 1983 to $40.7 billion in 2004, according to a 2004 report from the Kaiser Commission on Medicaid and the Uninsured,

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If you have insurance, YOU are the one footing that bill to the tune of about $1000 per year.

That's the price we pay to guarantee that we will be treated if we happen to need emergency care and don't have documentation. It's the price we're paying for the moochers without insurance. The people who expect care and don't want to pay the bills.

You know.. what we really need is some sort of law that mandates that these moochers pay their fair share. And if they choose not to, then these free-loaders should pay a fine to cover some of the cost that they're passing on to us. I think something around $700 would be fair, and we'll make them pay it when they pay their taxes.

Best conservative idea ever.

rcart76 said:

Actually you do. If you look at the plans online, they are the same healthcare providers that we commonly use.

Blue Cross
Aetna
Humana
etc...

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and can I decide on a plan that doesn't force me to pay for the poor lifestyle decision made by others?

Mithros said:

EXACTLY!!!!! And who's responsibility is it to pay for that treatment?

If you have insurance, YOU are the one footing that bill to the tune of about $1000 per year.

That's the price we pay to guarantee that we will be treated if we happen to need emergency care and don't have documentation. It's the price we're paying for the moochers without insurance. The people who expect care and don't want to pay the bills.

You know.. what we really need is some sort of law that mandates that theses moochers pay their fair share. And if they choose not to, then these free-loaders should pay a fine to cover some of the cost that they're passing on to us. I think something around $700 would be fair, and we'll make them pay it when they pay their taxes.

Best conservative idea ever.

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get out of here with your Kaiser foundation socialist medicine bull crap. Kaiser foundation is and has always been an advocate of socialized medicine so take that bias nonsense some where else

iliveonramen said:

Really? So if Mitt Romney had a daughter that got pregnant at 15 and a girl with a single parent working a 20k a year job got pregnant...same choices yet drastically different impacts on their future.

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A guy standing on the edge of a cliff and a guy standing on his front porch both take one step forward.... is it really the same choice?

trfjr said:

and can I decide on a plan that doesn't force me to pay for the poor lifestyle decision made by others?

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You do it now with corporations.

If you have insurance through your company, your rates are base on the age of each employee, diseases, obesity, medical past, etc.


I use to work for a health insurance underwriter for Humana. we use to rate groups base on the situation above. if you are a small to medium size company and your employees take BP meds or cholesterol meds then that will increase your company's rates. But the large companies can hide those employees in the population.


This is what the US is doing. It is acting like a large employers and that is why they are offering lower rates.

trfjr said:

and can I decide on a plan that doesn't force me to pay for the poor lifestyle decision made by others?

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I find this kind of comment odd. Do you have an insurance plan already?

trfjr said:

get out of here with your Kaiser foundation socialist medicine bull crap. Kaiser foundation is and has always been an advocate of socialized medicine so take that bias nonsense some where else

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Are you seriously proposing that hospitals have a negligible unpaid liabilities?

Fact: You have been paying for the uninsured since 1986. The individual mandate is all about making them pay at least a little now. It's a conservative solution to a real problem.

Or maybe you think it's a common occurrence for conservatives to occasionally champion socialist ideas every few years by mistake.

rcart76 said:

You do it now with corporations.

If you have insurance through your company, your rates are base on the age of each employee, diseases, obesity, medical past, etc.


I use to work for a health insurance underwriter for Humana. we use to rate groups base on the situation above. if you are a small to medium size company and your employees take BP meds or cholesterol meds then that will increase your company's rates. But the large companies can hide those employees in the population.


This is what the US is doing. It is acting like a large employers and that is why they are offering lower rates.

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and I had the choice not to accept employer provided insurance and shop around

ItAin'tFree said:

Loss of freedom is the "worse thing" since slavery. Those people you mentioned in the wars (post575) were not fighting so we could have our freedom taken away. People living during the depression still had their freedom. Now Obama has taken it away. It needs changed. And with respect to Dr Carson, his expertise in the political arena is where it needs to be. Restoring freedom.

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... I count four.... four failed uses of the word freedom for dramatic effect.

trfjr said:

and I had the choice not to accept employer provided insurance and shop around

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You can still shop around

Deuce said:

So, to clarify, you actually are stating you believe Obamacare is/will be worse than slavery?

I just want to make sure I'm clear on what you're saying.

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Well, you threw the word "is" in there, I didn't. So, that doesn't properly relate to what I said.
And, to be clear, are you attempting to make my statement have a different meaning than that which was intended?

donsutherland1 said:

No matter what one thinks of the ACA, and it has shortcomings and potential risks (some of which won't be known until concrete empirical data becomes available), the suggestion that it is the "worst thing" to impact the nation since slavery is historically illiterate. Dr. Carson's rhetoric only demonstrates anew the reality that superior performance in one field does not necessarily equate to superior performance in another field. He is a talented and successful neurosurgeon. One can't say the same with respect to his role in the political arena.

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and see, I look at it as it doesn't take a brain surgeon to see that forcing someone to labor against their will is slavery. This is different from taxation because you are being forced against your will to provide another "citizen" (thank you Citizens United) with a portion of your earnings. If you are providing a portion of your earnings unwillingly than you are providing your labor unwillingly. Forced into labor against your will for another isn't slavery?

Anthony60 said:

I think Carson is a bit off, Obamacare is working hard to out do slavery, as it is getting worse and worse.

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Well, he wouldn't want to be called a know nothing, partisan hack, now would he?

Mithros said:

Uhhhh......Which of them had the arrogance to believe that they were primarily self made men?

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You doubt their choices had anything to do with their success?:roll:

Cardinal said:

This is getting boring. Unless you can demonstrate that Dr. Carson has qualifications to speak on history as much as he's qualified to speak on neurosurgery then we're finished here.

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Typical leftist response. Standards apply to someone else, never to them. By your standards, you should have never commented about Dr Carson.

Boo Radley said:

I think that would be better directed at you.

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Well, you are usually wrong, so that would stand to reason... sure not me that is ignoring all the reams of evidence that the guy he is defending is a racist.

Maybe it would be better if I ask which flavor of kool-aide you prefer, if the word color is too closely associated with race or something...

Cardinal said:

So you can't demonstrate any kind of expertise on history on Dr. Carson's part then. I accept your concession and we're done here.

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Your hypocrisy is well noted. Probably won't take long for it to show up again.

winston53660 said:

You can still shop around

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what if I don't want prenatal care or my contraception's being covered do I have that choice so to make my insurance cheaper?

ItAin'tFree said:

Typical leftist response. Standards apply to someone else, never to them.

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What is your basis for determining that I hold such double standards?

ItAin'tFree said:

By your standards, you should have never commented about Dr Carson.

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Not true. I have no reason to suspect that Dr. Carlson's neurosurgery qualification are in suspicion. However, I haven't yet heard any reason to hold other thoughts of his in high regard. Neither what he's said (which seems to disregard all the deaths of the influenza epidemic, WWI, WWII, Viet Name, the Cold War, Mao's Revolution, and of course all the massacres by every dictator since then) nor any studies, publications or degrees of any kind on the topic of history.

You need to be a little more discerning.

ItAin'tFree said:

Your hypocrisy is well noted. Probably won't take long for it to show up again.

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Whatever hypocrisy you've "noted" is based only on a strawman and on no position I've held.

Anthony60 said:

Well, you threw the word "is" in there, I didn't. So, that doesn't properly relate to what I said.
And, to be clear, are you attempting to make my statement have a different meaning than that which was intended?

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I asked for clarification. You dodged the question instead of choosing to clarify your position.

Mithros said:

Which would you prefer?

1. Be "forced" to buy health insurance or face a 700$ fine.
2. Be sold as human chattel in which someone else has complete control over every facet of your life and is free to abuse you in any way they see fit.

Anyone willing to pick #2?

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So you're saying Obama has the authority to sell us as "human chattel"? No? Then you have provided a false choice. (It's also clear you are no historian on slavery in America with your comment on 2.)

Also how do you know Dr. Carson is not a historian. Check the definition of the word and you will find it's entirely possible he is. But even if he is not, it's clear he knows enough about slavery in America and how it compares to Obamadon'tcare to tie them together.

ItAin'tFree said:

So you're saying Obama has the authority to sell us as "human chattel"? No? Then you have provided a false choice. (It's also clear you are no historian on slavery in America with your comment on 2.)

Also how do you know Dr. Carson is not a historian. Check the definition of the word and you will find it's entirely possible he is. But even if he is not, it's clear he knows enough about slavery in America and how it compares to Obamadon'tcare to tie them together.

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Can you explain how a $700 fine is equivalent to a lifetime of forced servitude? I am keen on learning.

rcart76 said:

Grant

Maybe that is the difference between our thinking.

I don't trust government a lot, but I trust corporation even less. They are in the business to make profits and the only way they can do that is to retain as much revenue as they possibly can. I know too many people who have to consistently fight these bastards to cover a treatment including myself. I have a co-worker who had to put off a surgery for three months because she couldn't afford the deductible she had to pay up front. she would walk around in pain and I felt so bad for her.

The reason she waited is because her benefits would have kick in after 90 days. But what if she didn't have a job? what could she have done?

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Everyone has to be paid, including bureaucrats, and it will be the faceless bureaucrats laying down the rules when all this is over. If you don't like a corporation you can go to another, or they can be closed for malfeasance. But who is going to control the government?

As we have seen with this shutdown they can close anything they want, oit of spite and vindictiveness, and it doesn't matter how the public feels about it. There has been a great hipping away at American freedoms over the years but this one might be the greatest, You don't know what you got til its gone.

rcart76 said:

So when a black conservative thinks like you, he is the best thing since slice bread.

However, when a black conservative defends Obama, (Colin Powell) he is just doing it because he is black.

Look I respect Dr. Carson because he is truly one of the great heroes in our community just like Collin Powell. However, that doesn't mean that I have to agree with his politics. Regardless of what ya'll believe, black people do have individual opinions.

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Listen, unfortunately for Powell he is no true conservative... no true conservative would let someone go to jail unjustly when he knew something and could have done something about it... I detest the man.

Anybody who is honest and tells the truth is someone I can respect. I can respect Democrats who actually believe what they believe as long as they are reasonable, tell the truth and want the best for our country. One on that side of the aisle possibly cannot help it if one has grown up being instructed about patriotism, economics, the military, social problems incorrectly.... surely one, as an adult, has a responsibility to be critical even of one's own opinions, should regularly question our government to keep them on their toes and more honest, etc...

But sure, conservatives are in the tradition of our founders/framers... which had to be perhaps the greatest cohort group to have ever existed. The ones who are wanting to experiment, that are more in the Marxist mode, well, I question their patriotism [ they usually let you know that you don't have to question it, they often pretty much revile the idea ], their reasoning powers and judgement.

So, yes, just about any Conservative, makes absolutely no difference what race they may be, is better than the liberal. Black Conservatives get kicked hard by venomous liberals, though, especially by those coming from their own community. So I truly respect an upstanding and strong Black Conservative in the mold of Thomas Sowell, Shelby Steele, Clarence Thomas, and many others....