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Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

Unless you can demonstrate that you have qualifications to speak on Dr. Carson's opinion, I agree we're finished here.

Don't get mad, bro. I'm just extending your personal standards for judging the validity of Dr. Carson's comments to your own. I will continue to disregard the content of your opinion until you meet your own standards. Unless, of course, you don't want to be held to your own standards. Though, wouldn't that make you a hypocrite?

Argument from authority - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and a claim doesn't become true because an "expert" said it. In the end a claim must always stand or fall on it's own. Experts give weight to claims, they don't make them true.

Claiming that Obama care is equivalent to humans being bought and sold as property is an extraordinary claim. Actually, it is an extraordinarily stupid claim. Because if it were true, then no one would have a strong preference between one and the other.

Which would you prefer?
  1. Be "forced" to buy health insurance or face a 700$ fine.
  2. Be sold as human chattel in which someone else has complete control over every facet of your life and is free to abuse you in any way they see fit.
Anyone willing to pick #2?

Dr. Carson is not a historian. Being a neurosurgeon doesn't make him an expert in history any more than being black makes him an expert on slavery. Being black may save him from the reaction he would have received had he been white, but it doesn't make him any less of an ass.
 
Argument from authority - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and a claim doesn't become true because an "expert" said it. In the end a claim must always stand or fall on it's own. Experts give weight to claims, they don't make them true.

Claiming that Obama care is equivalent to humans being bought and sold as property is an extraordinary claim. Actually, it is an extraordinarily stupid claim. Because if it were true, then no one would have a strong preference between one and the other.

Which would you prefer?
  1. Be "forced" to buy health insurance or face a 700$ fine.
  2. Be sold as human chattel in which someone else has complete control over every facet of your life and is free to abuse you in any way they see fit.
Anyone willing to pick #2?

Dr. Carson is not a historian. Being a neurosurgeon doesn't make him an expert in history any more than being black makes him an expert on slavery. Being black may save him from the reaction he would have received had he been white, but it doesn't make him any less of an ass.

Maybe you should read what he actually said and it will save you a lot of typing.
 
Argument from authority - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and a claim doesn't become true because an "expert" said it. In the end a claim must always stand or fall on it's own. Experts give weight to claims, they don't make them true.

Claiming that Obama care is equivalent to humans being bought and sold as property is an extraordinary claim. Actually, it is an extraordinarily stupid claim. Because if it were true, then no one would have a strong preference between one and the other.

Which would you prefer?
  1. Be "forced" to buy health insurance or face a 700$ fine.
  2. Be sold as human chattel in which someone else has complete control over every facet of your life and is free to abuse you in any way they see fit.
Anyone willing to pick #2?

Dr. Carson is not a historian. Being a neurosurgeon doesn't make him an expert in history any more than being black makes him an expert on slavery. Being black may save him from the reaction he would have received had he been white, but it doesn't make him any less of an ass.

Except that the argument from authority is getting way ahead of ourselves as Carson isn't even an authority on that topic.
 
You didn't say politically wrong, you said "crazy". And the political view was the reason, meaning sane blacks cannot have those views. You imply that conservative blacks can't think rationally for themselves.

Sane blacks cannot hold the view that Obamacare equals Slavery any more than sane whites can. Believe it or not, blacks are just as capable as whites at making an ass of themselves.
 
Except that the argument from authority is getting way ahead of ourselves as Carson isn't even an authority on that topic.

Agreed.. But it's still argument from authority. You'll notice all of the comments about how he's a world renowned neurosurgeon so his mental prowess can't be challenged... ergo that crazy thing he spouted must be true.
 
Maybe you should read what he actually said and it will save you a lot of typing.

You know Obamacare is really I think the worst thing that has happened in this nation since slavery," Carson said Friday. "And it is in a way, it is slavery in a way, because it is making all of us subservient to the government, and it was never about health care. It was about control.

Maybe you should take your own advice. Carson equated Obamacare to slavery... but maybe you have an alternate understanding of the English Language.
 
Best things about Dr. Carson are that he is super articulate, he is absolutely fearless, he cannot be called a racist credibly and he is, in fact, an actual brain surgeon...so his intellectual abilities are beyond question.

So when a black conservative thinks like you, he is the best thing since slice bread.

However, when a black conservative defends Obama, (Colin Powell) he is just doing it because he is black.

Look I respect Dr. Carson because he is truly one of the great heroes in our community just like Collin Powell. However, that doesn't mean that I have to agree with his politics. Regardless of what ya'll believe, black people do have individual opinions.
 
Argument from authority - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and a claim doesn't become true because an "expert" said it. In the end a claim must always stand or fall on it's own. Experts give weight to claims, they don't make them true.

Claiming that Obama care is equivalent to humans being bought and sold as property is an extraordinary claim. Actually, it is an extraordinarily stupid claim. Because if it were true, then no one would have a strong preference between one and the other.

Which would you prefer?
  1. Be "forced" to buy health insurance or face a 700$ fine.
  2. Be sold as human chattel in which someone else has complete control over every facet of your life and is free to abuse you in any way they see fit.
Anyone willing to pick #2?

Dr. Carson is not a historian. Being a neurosurgeon doesn't make him an expert in history any more than being black makes him an expert on slavery. Being black may save him from the reaction he would have received had he been white, but it doesn't make him any less of an ass.

1: The bolded above is exactly the point I was trying to demonstrate to our poster. Just because a person isn't an "expert" does not make their opinions categorically wrong. (I was also pointing out the ridiculousness of him/her determining an opinion valid for consideration solely based on the expert-or-not status of it's holder).

2. The statement that 'A' is the worst thing since 'B' does not mean that 'A' is equivalent to 'B.' Let's draw it out:

Worst -------------------------------------------------------- Best
A -------------------B--------------- CDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ

If 'A' happened a long time ago, 'B' happened this morning, and the rest happened in between, 'B' is still the worst since 'A' yet is not equal in its badness.

Now, there are some horrible things which have happened since slavery was around and it would be impossible to definitively say Dr. Carson is right because the long-term effects of Obamacare have not been realized. However, it would also be illogical to claim he is definitively wrong in his opinion at the current time for the same reason. What is wrong is to make a strawman of his argument by inferring a false equivolence in his statements.

So, while no one would pick slavery over being forced to pay a fine/healthcare, that point is irrelevant to the the argument Dr. Carson made.
 
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So when a black conservative thinks like you, he is the best thing since slice bread.

However, when a black conservative defends Obama, (Colin Powell) he is just doing it because he is black.

Look I respect Dr. Carson because he is truly one of the great heroes in our community just like Collin Powell. However, that doesn't mean that I have to agree with his politics. Regardless of what ya'll believe, black people do have individual opinions.

Yep, they do....Like this one...

 
1: The bolded above is exactly the point I was trying to demonstrate to our poster. Just because a person isn't an "expert" does not make their opinions categorically wrong. (I was also pointing out the ridiculousness of him/her determining an opinion valid for consideration solely based on the expert-or-not status of it's holder).

2. The statement that 'A' is the worst thing since 'B' does not mean that 'A' is equivalent to 'B.' Let's draw it out:

Worst -------------------------------------------------------- Best
A -------------------B--------------- CDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ

If 'A' happened a long time ago, 'B' happened this morning, and the rest happened in between, 'B' is still the worst since 'A' yet is not equal in its badness.

Now, there are some horrible things which have happened since slavery was around and it would be impossible to definitively say Dr. Carson is right because the long-term effects of Obamacare have not been realized. However, it would also be illogical to claim he is definitively wrong in his opinion at the current time for the same reason. What is wrong is to make a strawman of his argument by inferring a false equivolence in his statements.

So, while no one would pick slavery over being forced to pay a fine/healthcare, that point is irrelevant to the the argument Dr. Carson made.

Gotcha.. Agreed. (And its one reason why I like anonymous forums, reputations, stature, degrees..etc.. are are all meaningless. Ideas are the only thing that counts)

As for Dr Carsons statement, you'd be technically right if he had stopped at "Obamacare is the worst thing to happen to this country since slavery". But his next sentence followed that Obamacare is actually a form of slavery. Given that, he may not have said that they are exactly equivalent, but you have to go through some serious mental gymnastics to argue that he claiming that Obamacare is not at least comparable to slavery.

It's totally offbase and assine. Had he been white, Carson would be in full apology tour mode now.
 
Not relevant, the OP claims Obama is the worst thing since slavery all I have to do disprove that is show things worse than Obamacare that occurred after slavery. Who was in office means nothing.

For any black man who grew up in the 50s to say that Obamacare is worse than the Jim Crow laws has no respect for the sacrifices of civil rights movement PERIOD!!!!!

And by the way, because his family was so poor, he grew up on medical assistance. Funny that he bashes a government program that was his family only option back then for medical coverage.
 
For any black man who grew up in the 50s to say that Obamacare is worse than the Jim Crow laws has no respect for the sacrifices of civil rights movement PERIOD!!!!!

And by the way, because his family was so poor, he grew up on medical assistance. Funny that he bashes a government program that was his family only option back then for medical coverage.

He more so than anyone else would be in a perfect position to see the damage entitlement dependence causes.
 
Maybe you should read what he actually said and it will save you a lot of typing.

Apologies! I interpreted "he" to mean Carson, rather than CycloneWanderer.
 
Yep, they do....Like this one...



Okayyy that reinforces my point


But here is a question about the video. If the topic is pretaining to the government shutdown, why is Hannity asking him about what is Obama doing for black people ???
 
He more so than anyone else would be in a perfect position to see the damage entitlement dependence causes.

Okay let me ask you this. If his family didn't have that assistance that they were on, what would they have done when they really got sick?

Getting treatment to live shouldn't be called a entitlement. "Christianity 101"
 
Okay let me ask you this. If his family didn't have that assistance that they were on, what would they have done when they really got sick?

Well they would of got a high income job. Everybody knows the only reason people are poor and don't have health insurance is free government stuff.
 
He more so than anyone else would be in a perfect position to see the damage entitlement dependence causes.

we are all seeing it now, disability claims rising every day, extended umemployment benefits. The Obama leadership is creating a poorer more dependent class of citizens to the applause of the people that support them.
 
Well they would of got a high income job. Everybody knows the only reason people are poor and don't have health insurance is free government stuff.

the choices one makes in life have more to do with their future than the environment around them
 
the choices one makes in life have more to do with their future than the environment around them

Really? So if Mitt Romney had a daughter that got pregnant at 15 and a girl with a single parent working a 20k a year job got pregnant...same choices yet drastically different impacts on their future.
 
Okay let me ask you this. If his family didn't have that assistance that they were on, what would they have done when they really got sick?

Getting treatment to live shouldn't be called a entitlement. "Christianity 101"

Don't you even try the WWJD card with me...Although Jesus would have advocated that we take care of those with the least among us, he wouldn't have said at the tip of a Roman spear...So that dog don't hunt. Sorry.
 
Really? So if Mitt Romney had a daughter that got pregnant at 15 and a girl with a single parent working a 20k a year job got pregnant...same choices yet drastically different impacts on their future.

if a cow **** butter you would not have to churn it, can't you do better than that?:lamo
 
Don't you even try the WWJD card with me...Although Jesus would have advocated that we take care of those with the least among us, he wouldn't have said at the tip of a Roman spear...So that dog don't hunt. Sorry.

J-mac

Are we just talking about healthcare or all entitlements?

On the subject of things like welfare and housing, we can have some common ground. But you are dead wrong if believe that Christ is against healthcare access for everyone. And how is making healthcare affordable to people teaching them how to be lazy????

Like I said Getting treatment to live shouldn't be called a entitlement.
 
J-mac

Are we just talking about healthcare or all entitlements?

On the subject of things like welfare and housing, we can have some common ground. But you are dead wrong if believe that Christ is against healthcare access for everyone. And how is making healthcare affordable to people teaching them how to be lazy????

Like I said Getting treatment to live shouldn't be called a entitlement.

We are not responsible for you, you are.
 
if a cow **** butter you would not have to churn it, can't you do better than that?:lamo

Rocketman, I don't agree with you but I have to steal this quote from you. :2rofll:
 
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