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poweRob said:
All economies have structures they adhere to. I recall I think it was Alabama where the whole state had an insurance duopoly of two insurance companies you could choose from for the whole state. Wonder how many options there will be there next year in the health exchange?
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Structures, eh? Tell me, have you ever actually looked into exactly how much the government is involved in? Did you ever try to find something in the economy that the government isn't controlling? It's actually pretty hard to do.
 
Henrin said:
Structures, eh? Tell me, have you ever actually looked into exactly how much the government is involved in? Did you ever try to find something in the economy that the government isn't controlling? It's actually pretty hard to do.
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Some regulations doesn't equal control. Why always exaggerate?
 
Boo Radley said:
Some regulations doesn't equal control. Why always exaggerate?
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Should we play a little game then? I will mention something I want to do and you can tell me the government regulations attached to it. Do you want to play?

First one...

Build a deck on my property.

Maybe when we are done you will realize the government is controlling the conditions of everything.
 
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Henrin said:
Should we play a little game then? I will mention something I want to do and you can tell me the government regulations attached to it. Do you want to play?

First one...

Build a deck on my property.

Maybe when we are done you will realize the government is controlling the conditions of everything.
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Sure let's play that game. And let's play how the Dems AND the GOP go along with it. Yet people on both sides still play the "Best of two Evils" game. No matter what you choose between the two, you're still choosing Evil.

when will both sides realize they are playing a losing hand and search for something different? The Duopoly of the Dems and Reps are RUINING this country.
 
Henrin said:
Should we play a little game then? I will mention something I want to do and you can tell me the government regulation attached to it. Do you want to play?

First one...

Build a deck on my property.

Maybe when we are done you will realize the government is controlling the conditions of everything.
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You're missing the point. They don't control. They just make sure I don't do anything unsafe. If you want, I'll post common regulations. They are minor, and hardly add up to control.
 
TheNextEra said:
Sure let's play that game. And let's play how the Dems AND the GOP go along with it. Yet people on both sides still play the "Best of two Evils" game. No matter what you choose between the two, you're still choosing Evil.
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And usually in reaction to something that happened and led to people, voters, asking for the regulation.
 
Boo Radley said:
You're missing the point. They don't control. They just make sure I don't do anything unsafe. If you want, I'll post common regulations. They are minor, and hardly add up to control.
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I think the point is, that each and every couple of years, the regulations are piled on (by both sides) and loopholes given that nobody can even operate without giving either kickbacks to some group, or failing the regulations of some sort. Even you have to agree that some regulations have gone too far.
 
Boo Radley said:
And usually in reaction to something that happened and led to people, voters, asking for the regulation.
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The point is that some regulations are just plain stupid and over-reactionary from both sides. Just because people ask for it, doesn't mean it's the right thing to do. 9/11 is the perfect example.
 
Boo Radley said:
You're missing the point. They don't control. They just make sure I don't do anything unsafe. If you want, I'll post common regulations. They are minor, and hardly add up to control.
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If I can't do any kind of repair, improvement, construction, modification or demolition work on my house or property without a permit then exactly how do I control it? Don't you think it's odd that I'm the property owner and yet I need permission by the state to do most things on my property?
 
TheNextEra said:
The point is that some regulations are just plain stupid and over-reactionary from both sides. Just because people ask for it, doesn't mean it's the right thing to do. 9/11 is the perfect example.
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Perhaps, though no such rule has ever effected my life. But because people put pressure that threatens re-election, that's why we see it. Politicians behave like we gave a direct democracy today, and not representatives. The same people who want elected officials to dig their heels in ground, don't seem to see how that leads to regulations. Politicians respond to both.
 
Henrin said:
If I can't do any kind of repair, improvement, construction, modification or demolition work on a house or property without a permit then exactly how do I control my property?
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You don't. This much is obvious by the fact if you don't pay property taxes you lose your house. Now, care to answer the question of how the GOP is going to alleviate all of this when they have gone along with it for over 50 years?
 
Henrin said:
If I can't do any kind of repair, improvement, construction, modification or demolition work on my house or property without a permit then exactly how do I control it? Don't you think it's odd that I'm the property owner and yet I need permission by the state to do most things on my property?
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you don't exactly have the ability to control everything on your property. who owns the maintains the pipes that supply your property with running water? who does the matinence on said pipes?

who owns and maintains the power lines connected to your house?
 
TheNextEra said:
You don't. This much is obvious by the fact if you don't pay property taxes you lose your house. Now, care to answer the question of how the GOP is going to alleviate all of this when they have gone along with it for over 50 years?
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I'm aware property taxes basically eliminates all private land ownership in the US. I'm sure Boo still thinks he owns his house and land, so lets just run on the assumption that he is correct for the sake of argument, ok?
 
Boo Radley said:
Perhaps, though no such rule has ever effected my life. But because people put pressure that threatens re-election, that's why we see it. Politicians behave like we gave a direct democracy today, and not representatives. The same people who want elected officials to dig their heels in ground, don't seem to see how that leads to regulations. Politicians respond to both.
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Well, what we have here is a flaw with representative democracy when we reward our so called "servants" with full time pay (and other amenities) and an incentive to do just about what ever it takes to get re-eelcted to keep receiving this full time pay. When you look back at our roots our representatives were part-time. Maybe we should seek to resume such a state to prevent the obvious corruption that we are seeing. Our founding roots had representatives, but our current climate breeds politicians.
 
Henrin said:
If I can't do any kind of repair, improvement, construction, modification or demolition work on my house or property without a permit then exactly how do I control it? Don't you think it's odd that I'm the property owner and yet I need permission by the state to do most things on my property?
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What you do may well effect other. Something of yours collapses, it may fall out of your yard into mine. Doesn't meet fire code, and it spread too my house. And this is nit to mention gated communities that demand much, much more (with their own added set of rules).
 
Henrin said:
I'm aware property taxes basically eliminates all private land ownership in the US. I'm sure Boo still thinks he owns his house and land, so lets just run on the assumption that he is correct for the sake of argument, ok?
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I guess my point is you have some sort of beef with the reality of the situation of the government being overreaching. Now can you show me how the duoploy of the Dem/Rep so called "representatives" are working to correct this? I guess the question I'm asking is do you vote Republican?
 
TheNextEra said:
Well, what we have here is a flaw with representative democracy when we reward our so called "servants" with full time pay (and other amenities) and an incentive to do just about what ever it takes to get re-eelcted to keep receiving this full time pay. When you look back at our roots our representatives were part-time. Maybe we should seek to resume such a state to prevent the obvious corruption that we are seeing. Our founding roots had representatives, but our current climate breeds politicians.
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That may be true. And would love to see such an idea advanced. But I doubt it will be anytime soon.
 
Boo Radley said:
What you do may well effect other. Something of yours collapses, it may fall out of your yard into mine. Doesn't meet fire code, and it spread too my house. And this is nit to mention gated communities that demand much, much more (with their own added set of rules).
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Boo, if I breathe and then exhale I'm technically affecting others. If I fart, I could very well cause a person to change their original position of transit walking, and then they could walk into a bus. I could actually see in today's law where a case could be made that I caused that person's death. There are many idiotic cases like this where someone so called "affects" another person negatively. I think the lines are getting drawn more and more against freedom and people actually taking personal responsibility to the point of absurdity. Some of the codes are meant to prevent ANY case from happening when in fact it needs to just be made that the person responsible need to be held responsible.
 
Boo Radley said:
That may be true. And would love to see such an idea advanced. But I doubt it will be anytime soon.
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The problem is the people that vote for the duopoly system. The flaw in logic is that if someone were to vote outside that, than the other side could win. It's the people that vote for Dem and Rep that ruining this country IMO. Time and time again I hear from people, "Well I voted for the best of two evils". Really, is that the type of system YOU want?
 
TheNextEra said:
Boo, if I breathe and then exhale I'm technically affecting others. If I fart, I could very well cause a person to change their original position of transit walking, and then they could walk into a bus. I could actually see in today's law where a case could be made that I caused that person's death. There are many idiotic cases like this where someone so called "affects" another person negatively. I think the lines are getting drawn more and more against freedom and people actually taking personal responsibility to the point of absurdity. Some of the codes are meant to prevent ANY case from happening when in fact it needs to just be made that the person responsible need to be held responsible.
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That's true to a degree. But some risks are more acceptable than others, which is why there are usually more rules where neighbors lite closer to each other than when they live further. I tend to live out in the boonies. No bothers.
 
The only solution Obama fanatics ever offer is Government

They are pawns
 
TheNextEra said:
The problem is the people that vote for the duopoly system. The flaw in logic is that if someone were to vote outside that, than the other side could win. It's the people that vote for Dem and Rep that ruining this country IMO. Time and time again I hear from people, "Well I voted for the best of two evils". Really, is that the type of system YOU want?
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I tend to think people are the problem, but in a different way. They are illogical and send contradictory messages. Politicians have learned how to use this.

Outsiders of the system would soon be just as bad as money will follow them. Your part time idea has more promise, but just as unlikely. Any system that runs on a popularity system is bound to have issues.

That at said, politics is largely corrupt everywhere. Money corrupts. While there are true public servants, they are largely outliers. If we seek perfection, we will be disappointed.
 
Boo Radley said:
That's true to a degree. But some risks are more acceptable than others, which is why there are usually more rules where neighbors lite closer to each other than when they live further. I tend to live out in the boonies. No bothers.
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The risks are more acceptable than others because lawyers are going to the extreme and judges are following suit. It used to be that if you slipped in from of someones house it was on YOU. Now they go after the homeowner. Sorry, but the lawyers and judges have created a lucrative system in which they ALL benefit from fraud lawsuits. The prosecuting attorney benefits in the rulings, even the defense and judges benefit in court costs (not directly but in wages from the court system).
 
Bronson said:
The only solution Obama fanatics ever offer is Government

They are pawns
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Right, your side wanted a FEDERAL constitutional amendment against flag burning and gay marriage. Your side constantly sides with FCC rulings on so called "morality" as well as abortion. Don't act like YOUR side doesn't use government for what THEY want.
 
Boo Radley said:
I tend to think people are the problem, but in a different way. They are illogical and send contradictory messages. Politicians have learned how to use this.

Outsiders of the system would soon be just as bad as money will follow them. Your part time idea has more promise, but just as unlikely. Any system that runs on a popularity system is bound to have issues.

That at said, politics is largely corrupt everywhere. Money corrupts. While there are true public servants, they are largely outliers. If we seek perfection, we will be disappointed.
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Again, you have made my point, we have stopped producing representatives and instead produced politicians. We should be limiting money to a campaign, because all that we are doing is creating the best "politician" money can buy. Which has produced more troubles and less freedom than what we need.
 
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