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Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

That is still silly. Those are requirements in order to be a pilot or continue flying a plane. Those laws have their own problems, but they are not involuntary servitude since they have are directly tied to the passenger getting service. Quality of service perhaps, but not service itself.

No, it is service itself. I can literally go to jail for flying passengers around without a license. I can lose my license for flying passengers around without proper authorization and training.
 
Personally, I think anyone trying to compare a $695 penalty for not having health insurance to slavery and murder is a bit delusional. To the point where that person's interpretation of the constitution is suspect.

Why is that? Heres what the Doctor said: "“Obamacare is really, I think, the worst thing that has happened in this nation since slavery,” Carson declared. “It is slavery in a way because it is making all of us subservient to the government.”

He is exactly correct.
 
Really? Did he go to law school too?

I'll take my chances with Roberts or Scalia.

Roberts - corporate jackass that has no problem violating the fourth amendment(DNA case)
Scalia - bigoted idiot that seems to ignore the fourteenth amendment on demand. Though Scalia did get the DNA case correct.
 
Being elected President of the USA is not a business, but if it was Barack Obama is pretty good at it.

Yes his handlers and a teleprompter worked at getting him the Presidency but he still never would have made it without a poorly informed electorate.
 
No, it is service itself. I can literally go to jail for flying passengers around without a license. I can lose my license for flying passengers around without proper authorization and training.

Yes, flying passengers around is a service provided to consumers. Requiring someone to have a license to fly their plane and use it as they see fit is a violation of property rights. Why is this hard to understand?
 
Why is that? Heres what the Doctor said: "“Obamacare is really, I think, the worst thing that has happened in this nation since slavery,” Carson declared. “It is slavery in a way because it is making all of us subservient to the government.”

He is exactly correct.

I lived in NY on 9/11/01 and I ****ing disagree.
 
No, it is service itself. I can literally go to jail for flying passengers around without a license. I can lose my license for flying passengers around without proper authorization and training.

Yet you choose to get a license, proper authorization and training. The government didn't force or require you to do any of it.
 
Didn't know it was a contest. But I do know the death penalty stuff was nonsense. She didn't. She wasn't prepared for the media. She has made herself look silly. There's no one you can quote that would change these facts.
The facts don't need changing. If you watched the video you would know that.
 
Aw, I see. So the lawyers on the supreme court have never made a mistake that was later changed. They must have never missed a connection or never misread the constitution, that's impressive.

Didn't say that. They that even they struggle should suggest to you how difficult it is.
 
Personally, I think anyone trying to compare a $695 penalty for not having health insurance to slavery and murder is a bit delusional. To the point where that person's interpretation of the constitution is suspect.
The penalty is $95 dollars for the first year, not $695.

So the fine is equivalent to buying a videogame+two controllers+memory card.

I'd hardly call that the same as slavery.
 
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Care to back that up?

Simple logic. No one has to work for anyone. I don't want to fight fires for some group, I can quit and serve burgers. No law prevents it.
 
The facts don't need changing. If you watched the video you would know that.

Nothing in the video changes what I said. You are the one with the facts wrong.
 
The penalty is $95 dollars for the first year, not $695.

So the fine is equivalent to buying a videogame+two controller+memory card.

That the government will force you to pay for no economic or any other activity whatsoever. They own you.
 
No. A doctor. You guys never get this right. You have more. To fear from your insurance provider, who really is between you and your doctor. And he works for your employer, not you.

So the government isn't involved in Obamacare at all?
 
So the government isn't involved in Obamacare at all?

In the care, no. Other than to improve insurance standards so more get care, no it isn't.
 
I never asked for your sympathy. I am however wondering how a state can justify taxing people for leaving the country for good.

The trick, as many are discovering, is not to invest in the United States. That's why many companies are moving overseas or only hiring part time help. It's exceedingly important that the American people elect some responsible adults as soon as possible.
 
In the care, no. Other than to improve insurance standards so more get care, no it isn't.

The case in question has to do with the government telling doctors how to provide their service. It has nothing to do with insurance.
 
The trick, as many are discovering, is not to invest in the United States. That's why many companies are moving overseas or only hiring part time help. It's exceedingly important that the American people elect some responsible adults as soon as possible.

You know they have been doing this for decades, and even with tax cuts. If you look at it, you will know nothing republicans complain about are driving these moves.
 
The case in question has to do with the government telling doctors how to provide their service. It has nothing to do with insurance.

Hardly. Not in the way we are discussing.
 
The trick, as many are discovering, is not to invest in the United States. That's why many companies are moving overseas or only hiring part time help. It's exceedingly important that the American people elect some responsible adults as soon as possible.

Economic freedom in America is an absolute joke. I just found out that if i want to produce a new product I need to get the approval of the federal government first. I didn't even sell one unit of the product yet and the government is already telling me what to do. :doh
 
Yes, flying passengers around is a service provided to consumers. Requiring someone to have a license to fly their plane and use it as they see fit is a violation of property rights.

This post, right here, is a perfect demonstration of how ridiculous libertarianism really gets.

I, the pilot or aircraft operator, have the power to place your life in mortal danger in order to save myself a few bucks. You, the passenger, have virtually no way to assess that risk. You have no basis of knowledge whatsoever that allows you to determine whether or not the risk I am putting you in is worth the $20 you save on the ticket. Because you don't understand how planes fly in the first place, let alone the skill, planning, maintenance, and supervision required to do so safely.

You. Are. Not. An. Informed. Consumer.

How many times have you heard people complain about delays, stating they "sat on the runway" for X amount of time. Guess what? They didn't sit on a runway. They sat somewhere else. A person who can't even name the various strips of pavement they sit on is supposed assess the value of my flying skill? They're supposed to determine whether or not proper maintenance has been completed on my aircraft? How? Going to inspect the plane yourself, are you? How about just looking at the paperwork yourself? Would you even know what to look for? Wait, in libertopia I'm not required to even have paperwork showing maintenance records, let alone show it to those ****ing customers.

In your world, the company has the right to literally kill you in the name of saving money. I'm sure the next generation will sufficiently punish the company. Like happened with ValuJet, right? Nasty accident caused by shoddy procedures. The market didn't let them continue to operOH WAIT.
 
Hardly. Not in the way we are discussing.

That seems a bit strange since it deals with doctors and patients, not the insurance company.
 
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