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Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

shrubnose said:
Anyone who is not happy in the USA can always leave. The entrance to the exit is wide open.
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Liberals should have taken that advice in 100+ years ago.

Btw, I would get taxed if I were to leave. I guess I earn too much to practice freedom of movement. :/
 
Boo Radley said:
Knowing all your options is helpful. For some reason you think lack of information is better. It's not.
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Explain to us how section 1233 was such a good part of the bill and use cites to support your argument.

Can't do it...can you?
 
NIMBY said:
Those buildings you refer to as Dem, they now have a Republican flag over them, the stars and bars..
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Thank god for a Republican Flag, not the stars and bars however. The stars and bars were always and will stay always Southern Democrat. Ask someone who knows if the stars and bars were over the Arkansas gov's mansion under BJ, eh?

Yeah, Republicans didn't just come down in Reconstruction and leave this time, we just came down, converted the willing [ the non hard liner Democrats came to our side, of the old hardliners only one, Strom, came over this side...and he had changed his tune ] as there were many willing, nobody of right mind agreed with the Southern Democrats loosing the dogs and water hoses on children, be they of any race. Southerners previously turned a blind eye to all that for too long, but the television age forced them from their isolated comfort zones, forced them to confront this sickness and pretty much exterminate the gawd awfulness of it.

But then again, seeing your caricatures, one perceives that with those comic book distortions, that one could know little of the real history.
 
Boo Radley said:
Knowing all your options is helpful. For some reason you think lack of information is better. It's not.
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Why can't doctors provide the information they want to provide? Why does the government need to get involved? Is it actually needed to tell patients they can choose death? Btw, can you decide to die. Just sayin'..
 
shrubnose said:
Anyone who is not happy in the USA can always leave. The entrance to the exit is wide open.




"Better days are coming." ~ But not for today's out of touch, running out of time, GOP."
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If all the Conservatives left, America would fall apart.
 
Henrin said:
Why can't doctors make provide the information they want to provide? Why does the government need to get involved? Is it actually needed to tell patients they can choose death? Btw, can you decide to die. Just sayin'..
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Because the government knows better than you or your doctor. It certainly knows better than the leftists, which is why they want government help.
 
johndylan1 said:
If not them, Does the work of the slaves pay for that avoidance and the care that they actually receive? IDK let's ask the good Dr.
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Again, you're being ignorant here.

Low-income individuals WHO WORK but can't quite afford health insurance on their own would be the ones who'd be applying for health care credits. These people are NOT the same as those who would be applying for Medicaid. But it seems that people who share your thinking on the matter are purposely tying ALL low-income wage earners into the same bunch. They are different: lower-middle-class wage earners -vs- those who qualify as poor. BIG difference. In this day and age you can work and still meet federal poverty level guidelines. I see it every day! But that doesn't necessarily make your poor. It just means you're in that gray area - not poor enough to qualify for Medicaid, not wealthy enough to be able to afford health insurance on your own.

I'm in no way discussing issues of the poor nor the unemployed. But those of you who are adamantly opposed to the health care law work extremely hard to clump everyone in the same group...too hard, IMO.
 
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apdst said:
Explain to us how section 1233 was such a good part of the bill and use cites to support your argument.

Can't do it...can you?
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The administration also cited research by Dr. Stacy M. Fischer, an assistant professor at the University of Colorado School of Medicine, who found that “end-of-life discussions between doctor and patient help ensure that one gets the care one wants.” In this sense, Dr. Fischer said, such consultations “protect patient autonomy.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/26/us/politics/26death.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
 
Henrin said:
Why can't doctors provide the information they want to provide? Why does the government need to get involved? Is it actually needed to tell patients they can choose death? Btw, can you decide to die. Just sayin'..
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The can. But it relays on WANT. Seems to me information should just be given and not reliant on any other possible agenda.
 
Boo Radley said:
The can. But it relays on WANT. Seems to me information should just be given and not reliant on any other possible agenda.
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Seems to me someone is offering the service and gets to decide on how they will provide it. :shrug: I still don't understand why doctors need to be told to tell patients they can die.
 
Henrin said:
Seems to me someone is offering the service and gets to decide on how they will provide it. :shrug:
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You have been wrong about many things. Your wrong here as well. The patient can't make wise decisions without information. And being in a life and death situation isn't the best time to be a consumer. Buyer beware doesn't work well in such situations, which is largely the problem with medicine as widget mentality.
 
Objective Voice said:
Well, if the good Dr. had limited his discussion on health related issues, i.e., medicine and medical practices, I'd take what he had to say at face value. But since all he's done is attempt to through himself into the political arena behind his medical credentials while making the same wild rhetorical arguments the talking heads have tried to make, he really doesn't come across as being very credible to me. As such, he's just another mouthpiece for the established conservative anti-Obama ideologues.
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How would you rank the good, if not great and accomplished, doctor as compared to other Black talking political heads...say compared to Jesse "extortion" Jackson, or Al "not too" Sharpton, or Eric "the bag" Holder, or Barry "the community disorganizer" Obama?

I mean, if Barry had limited himself to community organizing, if the two reverends had limited themselves to preaching what they don't practice, or if the AG had just stuck to just defending terrorists, would they, too, come across as more credible as well?
 
Henrin said:
Liberals should have taken that advice in 100+ years ago.

Btw, I would get taxed if I were to leave. I guess I earn too much to practice freedom of movement. :/
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If that's all that stops you from hitting the road, then you don't want to get out that bad.

I have no sympathy for you.
 
apdst said:
My point is, if section 1233 was such an important part of the Acrid Care Act, why did the Democrats so willingly remove it from the bill?

They didn't put up much of a fight. Care to explain that?
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Because it's not central to the bill and the right-wing media circlejerk was using it to convince gullible people that there actually were death panels.
 
Boo Radley said:
Are you challenged in some way? Perhaps you could explain how that didn't support me?
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You used a regime approved op-ed and you don't understand why that didn't support your argument?!? :lamo

Allow me to be more specific: using the text of Section 1233--the death panel section--show us how it's such an important part of the bill and how it's removal harmed people.
 
Deuce said:
Because it's not central to the bill and the right-wing media circlejerk was using it to convince gullible people that there actually were death panels.
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Can you prove that section 1233 didn't implement death panels? That should be easy, using the text of the bill. Yes?

You can't do it, either, but I have to ask.
 
Boo Radley said:
You have been wrong about many things. Your wrong here as well. The patient can't make wise decisions without information. And being in a life and death situation isn't the best time to be a consumer. Buyer beware doesn't work well in such situations, which is largely the problem with medicine as widget mentality.
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Medicine is a service provided by people that have the right to decide on how they will offer it. The government should not be ordering people around that did nothing wrong.
 
shrubnose said:
If that's all that stops you from hitting the road, then you don't want to get out that bad.

I have no sympathy for you.
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I have looked into it and according to my finding I will be taxed about $200 grand if I decide to leave. :/
 
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