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Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

Boo Radley said:
Have you read how often you folks call some one in the left a loon? This really is a wild exaggeration. You don't have to be left or right to see it, or need and long winded explanation. It's really not worth even considering being as hyperbolic as it is. I wouldn't ask you to provide Bush wasn't Hitler, for example.
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We usually follow it up with facts; unlike the Libbos.

To date, you people think that Sarah Palin is stupid, because she said that she can see Russia from her house. You have no other argument to prove that she doesn't deserve to hold office.
 
apdst said:
I didn't say you're wrong, however, Deuce says something totally different. You both support the debacle and neither of you can agree on how it works.

There are only two options here: 1) one of you is wrong, 2) you're both wrong.
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I'm not worried about agreement.

And its not a debacle. Not smooth, not perfect, but not a debacle. Being hyperbolic hurts your cause.
 
Boo Radley said:
I'm not worried about agreement.

And its not a debacle. Not smooth, not perfect, but not a debacle. Being hyperbolic hurts your cause.
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How many people have signed up, so far? :lamo

Ignoring reality hurts your cause.
 
apdst said:
We usually follow it up with facts; unlike the Libbos.

To date, you people think that Sarah Palin is stupid, because she said that she can see Russia from her house. You have no other argument to prove that she doesn't deserve to hold office.
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No, you really don't any more than liberals do. You have some bright folks, as do liberals, but are really no different at all.

And I think Sarah is stupid because she proved to be stupid, not by one comment, but by demonstrating a lack of knowledge on many subjects and promoting the silly death panel nonsense. One comment did not put her in stupid town.
 
apdst said:
How many people have signed up, so far? :lamo

Ignoring reality hurts your cause.
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It's too early to ask that question. If they are wise, they haven't yet. They would do their homework on the options first. Often, both sides leap before the facts are in. I think your question is doing that now.
 
Boo Radley said:
No, you really don't any more than liberals do. You have some bright folks, as do liberals, but are really no different at all.
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Sorry, but the reality is much different. Your's and Deuce's interpretation of the Asinine Care Act proves that.

And I think Sarah is stupid because she proved to be stupid, not by one comment, but by demonstrating a lack of knowledge on many subjects and promoting the silly death panel nonsense. One comment did not put her in stupid town.
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Which subjects? You can't even name a few.

If death panels were, "nonsense", then why was that section removed from the law?
 
johndylan1 said:
If you don't apply you pay the penalty.
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Yes, and if you don't file taxes when you're required to do so, you pay a penalty for that. Failing to register a motor vehicle results in a penalty too. So what? If your income is low enough where health insurance premiums would cost more than 8% of your income, you aren't subject to the penalty.
 
apdst said:
Sorry, but the reality is much different. Your's and Deuce's interpretation of the Asinine Care Act proves that.



Which subjects? You can't even name a few.

If death panels were, "nonsense", then why was that section removed from the law?
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Because in politics, appearance is more important than reality. Delusional people thought there were death panels, so the not-actually-death-panels clause was removed. Predictably, those people continued to bitch about non-existent death panels even after the not-actually-death-panels clause was removed.
 
apdst said:
The funniest part, is that this is all that Libbos can present as an argument to their opponents.
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well i dont know what all the "libbos" are presenting to "all their opponents" so thats moot here

but ANYBODY focusing on the facts and arguments one can support against THIS guy whether he is an opponent or not is a good move

nut case, bigot, political retarded are all good points to make that are easy to defended and are the objections to this guy from "libbos" and many others including conservatives. :shrug:

He is a brilliant doctor
a great political entertainer and cartoon character
anything else remains to be seen
 
Deuce said:
Did you not read the post he was responding to? He was nowhere near suggesting that this man had no right to hold his opinion. Rather, that the man's opinion is objectively wrong and that stating said opinion is indicative of a very poor understanding of both history and the health care law.

And, like, reality in general.

Why is it that right-wingers seem to think my criticism of your speech is somehow taking away your right to it?
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Umm... Just to give you a clue as to why you cannot effectively argue your position, you do not have a grasp of the basic meaning of words. There is no such thing as an objectively wrong opinion. Opinions are subjective.
 
Boo Radley said:
It's too early to ask that question. If they are wise, they haven't yet. They would do their homework on the options first. Often, both sides leap before the facts are in. I think your question is doing that now.
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It's too early?!? :lamo

Hell, they can't even sign onto the website to see the damn options!

Don't you think the American people deserve something just a little better than this??

The Aggrevating Care Act is just another example of the incompetence of the Obama Regime.
 
AGENT J said:
well i dont know what all the "libbos" are presenting to "all their opponents" so thats moot here

but ANYBODY focusing on the facts and arguments one can support against THIS guy whether he is an opponent or not is a good move

nut case, bigot, political retarded are all good points to make that are easy to defended and are the objections to this guy from "libbos" and many others including conservatives. :shrug:

He is a brilliant doctor
a great political entertainer and cartoon character
anything else remains to be seen
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Yet, you can't even post a few of those facts that blow his talking points out of the water.
 
apdst said:
Sorry, but the reality is much different. Your's and Deuce's interpretation of the Asinine Care Act proves that.



Which subjects? You can't even name a few.

If death panels were, "nonsense", then why was that section removed from the law?
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It was nonsense. But according to the representation Grassley (in his reply to my criticism), the republican who fought for that part for years, that even though it was nonsense, it had to react to your FEELINGS. In other words, it was too hard to educate your side.
 
johndylan1 said:
It may be seen as a bit of hyperbole by you or I, but that is a statement of opinion. Last I checked he is still entitled to his opinion in the good ol USA, isn't he comrade?
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Oh, for crying out loud. Nobody is advocating he be silenced by penalty of law, and it's pretty goddamn dishonest for you to even imply it.

Yes, he's entitled to his opinion, and I'm entitled to say that he's full of it.
 
Deuce said:
Because in politics, appearance is more important than reality. Delusional people thought there were death panels, so the not-actually-death-panels clause was removed. Predictably, those people continued to bitch about non-existent death panels even after the not-actually-death-panels clause was removed.
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Why was that section removed, if it didn't set up death panels?? Care to explain that reality to us?
 
apdst said:
It's too early?!? :lamo

Hell, they can't even sign onto the website to see the damn options!

Don't you think the American people deserve something just a little better than this??

The Aggrevating Care Act is just another example of the incompetence of the Obama Regime.
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Not quite true, but that's a technical web issue and not a law issue.
 
Deuce said:
Medicare is socialized medicine, so if you support Medicare you support slavery?

This is what you're saying?
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If that were what I was saying, I think I would have typed that. Medicare is a part of the Social Security Admin so I am forced to support it by fiat...would I rather have kept my money, the money I was required to pay into FICA, myself? Yes.

Is that what you are saying?

I am not for Medicare... that make it any clearer? I think the Social Programs inaugurated under the Great Society are feel good ultimately do bad kinda programs. Clearer still? I am not for any kind of slavery, including government induced slavery.

Now we have folks that have been forced to pay into such things their entire lives, that they should get some return on that investment can somehow be interpreted to mean they are forced to be for socialized medicine therefore, ipso facto, they can be considered for slavery?

As you know, or should, that simply does not accurately compute.
 
apdst said:
Why was that section removed, if it didn't set up death panels?? Care to explain that reality to us?
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You literally quoted the post explaining why they were removed. Here it is again.

Because in politics, appearance is more important than reality. Delusional people thought there were death panels, so the not-actually-death-panels clause was removed.
 
Gaugingcatenate said:
If that were what I was saying, I think I would have typed that. Medicare is a part of the Social Security Admin so I am forced to support it by fiat...would I rather have kept my money, the money I was required to pay into FICA, myself? Yes.

Is that what you are saying?

I am not for Medicare... that make it any clearer? I think the Social Programs inaugurated under the Great Society are feel good ultimately do bad kinda programs. Clearer still? I am not for any kind of slavery, including government induced slavery.

Now we have folks that have been forced to pay into such things their entire lives, that they should get some return on that investment can somehow be interpreted to mean they are forced to be for socialized medicine therefore, ipso facto, they can be considered for slavery?

As you know, or should, that simply does not accurately compute.
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I am for medicare. Does this mean I am for slavery?
 
Kobie said:
Oh, for crying out loud. Nobody is advocating he be silenced by penalty of law, and it's pretty goddamn dishonest for you to even imply it.

Yes, he's entitled to his opinion, and I'm entitled to say that he's full of it.
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Do you remember what I was saying about leftist emotionalism? : )
 
Boo Radley said:
No, you really don't any more than liberals do. You have some bright folks, as do liberals, but are really no different at all.

And I think Sarah is stupid because she proved to be stupid, not by one comment, but by demonstrating a lack of knowledge on many subjects and promoting the silly death panel nonsense. One comment did not put her in stupid town.
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Do you really believe you are more intelligent than Sarah Palin??? PJTV: Bill Whittle on the Sarah Palin Haters - YouTube
 
Boo Radley said:
It was nonsense. But according to the representation Grassley (in his reply to my criticism), the republican who fought for that part for years, that even though it was nonsense, it had to react to your FEELINGS. In other words, it was too hard to educate your side.
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The Democrats sure as hell removed that part quick enough, once the word got out. If they're so much smarter than those of us who a part of the swinish masses, then they should have been able to explain to us how there were no death panels.
 
ksu_aviator said:
But that's not even true. You can drive a car all day long on private property without insurance.
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Come now, you and I both know that people don't conduct their daily commute using private drives. We use public streets, roads, lanes, bridges, drives, avenues, boulevards, parkways, federal and state highways. You're simply trying to be funny. (And yes, I did get a laugh out of it because you know the truth the broader point towhich I was inferring) :lamo

Insurance is not the government. You are talking about the condition of a contract, not the law.
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Ah! But by not adhering to the condition of the contract you expose yourself to risk. Thus, you're likely to bring about the very forms of legalism and law enforcement you're trying to avoid by having it your way. Better to install smoke detectors or have them repaired than to avoid needed repair OR disable them and risk losing your property, your wealth (earnings) or your life just to have it your way. A small price to pay don't you think?

Well, you are wrong about the home inspection. Most home inspectors do test the outlets for ground. However, when an individual buys a home, they buy it as is and all defects are not the responsibility of any previous owner.
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You know the "Sold AS-IS/buyer beware" argument wasn't the issue here. What was is the uncompensated care those who do have health insurance pay via a portion of their health insurance premium to the uninsured. Thus, the analogy of "passing on the risk" of home ownership with your health insurance premium. In both cases, you don't know the risk (or in the case of uncompensated care, the cost) is being passed on to the unsuspecting buyer (or shall we say the more responsible party).
 
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