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Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

Cardinal said:
I agree. Before 2009 I never had to pay taxes, or pull my car over if a police officer turned on his siren behind me, I never needed permits or licenses for anything...I could do anything I wanted. I was free.

Then Obamacare happened.
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Obamacare fundamentally changes the relationship between government and its citizens. Up until now government has not been able to direct citizens to purchase products against their will, and under the penalty of law. This means government is no longer a protector of rights; government is now an agency of forced labor, to the extent that it takes to afford the required purchase.
 
johndylan1 said:
Obamacare fundamentally changes the relationship between government and its citizens. Up until now government has not been able to direct citizens to purchase products against their will,
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Car insurance is mandated by law. Smoke detectors are mandated by law. Electrical outlets with a ground line are mandated by law. Pilot certification and aircraft registration are required by law.
 
Also,
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Feel free to call your $700 tax penalty worse than this.
 
Wiseone said:
At least it wasn't Obamacare
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Gaugingcatenate said:
Funny, all but the first pic are of Democrat policies in action, imagine that, here comes another "winner"....Obutwedontwannacare
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You can attribute poll taxes and segregation to democrats as well. :lamo

Thanks for making the case against Obamacare Wiseone.

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johndylan1 said:
Obamacare fundamentally changes the relationship between government and its citizens. Up until now government has not been able to direct citizens to purchase products against their will, and under the penalty of law. This means government is no longer a protector of rights; government is now an agency of forced labor, to the extent that it takes to afford the required purchase.
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I agree that there has been a line crossed here, that the federal government can now forced its citizens to buy commercial products. A first or a first as far as I know. But comparing Obamacare to slavery is pure poppycock. Asinine may be a better word. This is the type of hyperbole one would expect from the Democrats in Congress. The if you don't pass this legislation, your grandma and kids will die because of republican cruelty and lack of compassion. What in the world has Washington become? I'll tell you, Washington has become a town of blithering idiots, on both sides of the aisle.
 
Cardinal said:
The hell does racism have to do with anything?

Anyway, yes, he is a brain surgeon. Kudos to him on that. But it's compartmentalized intelligence that allows highly educated people in one area to do or say extremely stupid things in other areas. There are many fantastically intelligent members on this forum who regularly go full retard when they leave the topic of their expertise. A brain surgeon comparing the health care act to the brutal enslavement of an entire race is a good example of phenomenon.
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It has to do with intellectual capacity. Not all IQ's are equal. The fact that so many fall for slick political marketing and buy in to a political philosophy isn't a mark of correctness or intelligence. Being able to understand the complexity of the brain is however a mark or real intelligence, and therefore shows a capacity to understand political philosophy, rather than being a hoodwinked stooge of the left.
 
Gaugingcatenate said:
Best things about Dr. Carson are that he is super articulate, he is absolutely fearless, he cannot be called a racist credibly and he is, in fact, an actual brain surgeon...so his intellectual abilities are beyond question.
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But his motive is greed. He knows very well that he wont be able to exploit people like he has been doing under the current system for very long. People are realizing that doctors, hospitals and insurance companies are the main cost problem and many are exploiting people in need for massive profits.
 
Those buildings you refer to as Dem, they now have a Republican flag over them, the stars and bars..
Gaugingcatenate said:
Funny, all but the first pic are of Democrat policies in action, imagine that, here comes another "winner"....Obutwedontwannacare
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Deuce said:
Also,
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Feel free to call your $700 tax penalty worse than this.
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I guess a Republican did this?

Obamacare, another Democratic bomb! :lamo
 
Deuce said:
Only a nutcase thinks Obamacare is the "worst thing since slavery."
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Stop being a racist

You just don't like Dr. Carson because he's black. His credentials are beyond question.

Obamacare is way worse than slavery actually. Obama and his army of Lois Lerners are going to know everything about you. It's going to be the largest database in History. It's no secret that the Collectivist Social Engineers look at Socialized HC as the key to total control. You snake oil salesmen always sell it as a utopia, but history proves it's always slavery because it's all based on a Hegelian lie. That all of this constant social conflict only has one solution (the solution that you fascists endlessly push) which is Government is and always will be the only solution.

Well now we see the results. A 650M website that doesn't load. Premiums skyrocketing. Debt more and more spinning out of control. Mandates for the peasants while the elite get waivers. Under Obama we're not evolving, we're regressing into a 3rd world (*&^hole.
 
Deuce said:
Car insurance is mandated by law. Smoke detectors are mandated by law. Electrical outlets with a ground line are mandated by law. Pilot certification and aircraft registration are required by law.
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Do you have to have car insurance if you don't own a car? No.
Do you have to have a smoke detector if you own the home? No. You can disconnect or disable without penalty. It is required to be active only during a sell or if in a commercial residence (i.e. rental property, hotel, apartment, ect).
Do you have to your electrical outlets grounded? No. Even if you sell the home, it does not have to be brought up to code...AND...if you do the electrical work yourself, there is no requirement to meet code.
How many pilots are there? Because I'm going to bet that there are more people without certification than with. So it is not required as a condition of living.
 
Gaugingcatenate said:
I think he might know a thing or two about health care at the very least...far more than the O' so stupid One...
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Well, if the good Dr. had limited his discussion on health related issues, i.e., medicine and medical practices, I'd take what he had to say at face value. But since all he's done is attempt to through himself into the political arena behind his medical credentials while making the same wild rhetorical arguments the talking heads have tried to make, he really doesn't come across as being very credible to me. As such, he's just another mouthpiece for the established conservative anti-Obama ideologues.
 
January 1st with pre-existing conditions is D-Day for this War..
PeteEU said:
But his motive is greed. He knows very well that he wont be able to exploit people like he has been doing under the current system for very long. People are realizing that doctors, hospitals and insurance companies are the main cost problem and many are exploiting people in need for massive profits.
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Μολὼν λαβέ;1062416364 said:
I guess a Republican did this?

Obamacare, another Democratic bomb! :lamo
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What does party affiliation have to do with whether or not slavery/bombs/health insurance are bad? Are you under the impression that these things would become ok or not ok if the party switched?

Bronson said:
Stop being a racist

You just don't like Dr. Carson because he's black. His credentials are beyond question.

Obamacare is way worse than slavery actually. Obama and his army of Lois Lerners are going to know everything about you. It's going to be the largest database in History. It's no secret that the Collectivist Social Engineers look at Socialized HC as the key to total control. You snake oil salesmen always sell it as a utopia, but history proves it's always slavery because it's all based on a Hegelian lie. That all of this constant social conflict only has one solution (the solution that you fascists endlessly push) which is Government is and always will be the only solution.

Well now we see the results. A 650M website that doesn't load. Premiums skyrocketing. Debt more and more spinning out of control. Mandates for the peasants while the elite get waivers. Under Obama we're not evolving, we're regressing into a 3rd world (*&^hole.
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Another addition to Poe's Law.txt

ksu_aviator said:
Do you have to have car insurance if you don't own a car? No.
Do you have to have a smoke detector if you own the home? No. You can disconnect or disable without penalty. It is required to be active only during a sell or if in a commercial residence (i.e. rental property, hotel, apartment, ect).
Do you have to your electrical outlets grounded? No. Even if you sell the home, it does not have to be brought up to code...AND...if you do the electrical work yourself, there is no requirement to meet code.
How many pilots are there? Because I'm going to bet that there are more people without certification than with. So it is not required as a condition of living.
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And this terrifying "condition of living" penalty for not having insurance is a $695 penalty assessed on your tax return. But only under certain circumstances.
You don't have to hold a job that makes enough money to be subject to the penalty. It's not a condition of living. It's a condition of income.
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1062416356 said:
You can attribute poll taxes and segregation to democrats as well. :lamo

Thanks for making the case against Obamacare Wiseone.

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None of these things have anything to do with Obamacare, the OP specifically stated it was the worst thing since slavery and I simply showed that there are lots of other things worse than Obamacare since slavery. You want to change the topic so that anything that happened while a Dem was in office doesn't count, which isn't what the OP said.

But if you insist do you really, REALLY, think that not a single Republican has done anything worse than Obamacare since the end of slavery. I already posted the Iraq War, what about Iran-Contra, what about Reagan passing intelligence off to Iraq so it could use its chemical weapons more accurately on Iran, what about Watergate, what about Nixon's expanded bombing campaign of Laos and Cambodia, what about Eisenhower sending the first Soldiers to Vietnam and his "Domino theory"
 
Deuce said:
Car insurance is mandated by law. Smoke detectors are mandated by law. Electrical outlets with a ground line are mandated by law. Pilot certification and aircraft registration are required by law.
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Which one of those are a forced purchase apart from another chosen activity? Obama care allows a penalty of law in response to NO ACT whatsoever.
 
johndylan1 said:
Which one of those are a forced purchase apart from another chosen activity? Obama care allows a penalty of law in response to NO ACT whatsoever.
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There is an act: working a job that provides sufficient income.

The Obamacare tax penalty isn't different from an income tax in any manner of substance.
 
ksu_aviator said:
Do you have to have car insurance if you don't own a car? No.

Except if you do have a car and get caught driving without auto insurance you DO pay a steep fine.

Do you have to have a smoke detector if you own the home? No. You can disconnect or disable without penalty. It is required to be active only during a sell or if in a commercial residence (i.e. rental property, hotel, apartment, ect).
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Except if your house catches fire and it is determined that the smoke detector was purposely disabled, the insurance company won't pay the claim and you can be held liable for destruction of property (at the least) or reckless endangerment (at the most).

Do you have to your electrical outlets grounded? No. Even if you sell the home, it does not have to be brought up to code...AND...if you do the electrical work yourself, there is no requirement to meet code.
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You're right, but just as the burden of not having insurance is passed on to those who do have insurance, such is the case when the person who jury-rigged his electrical outlets passes on that risk and financial burden onto the new homeowner. (Or course, the counter-argument would be "have a home inspection performed" except home inspections DON'T look at wall sockets; they only gauge the condition and functionality of the electrical circuit breaker box.)

How many pilots are there? Because I'm going to bet that there are more people without certification than with. So it is not required as a condition of living.
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Wild analogy here since only a handful of people go on to become commercial (or private) aircraft pilots. You're really grasping at straws on this one.
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NIMBY said:
January 1st with pre-existing conditions is D-Day for this War..
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Actually I would say that Stalingrad was the release of the cost database by the Obama administration. Granted it is not easily searchable, but the information is there and people can clearly see that their healthcare system is built on exploitation to the extreme. That a hospital visit for a certain procedure can vary by 100+% with in the same city.. is mind boggling.
 
ksu_aviator said:
Do you have to your electrical outlets grounded? No. Even if you sell the home, it does not have to be brought up to code...AND...if you do the electrical work yourself, there is no requirement to meet code.
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How very corrupt capitalistic!!
 
PeteEU said:
Actually I would say that Stalingrad was the release of the cost database by the Obama administration. Granted it is not easily searchable, but the information is there and people can clearly see that their healthcare system is built on exploitation to the extreme. That a hospital visit for a certain procedure can vary by 100+% with in the same city.. is mind boggling.
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Or the fact that a 10,000% markup exists for certain medical devices.
 
Objective Voice said:
Yes, but that doesn't make his assessment of the state of our nation accurate.

I've heard this stupid analogy being made by many people - mostly from those who don't like ObamaCare - and I think to myself, "These folks can't be serious!?!"

Slavery held only certain people in bondage due to the color of their skin. Not everyone was held back from having an opportunity to progress in life or within this country because of the color of their skin. So, that's the first problem with Dr. Carson's slavery analogy.

Second, slavery was a socio-economic way of life for country, but only those who lived in the south benefitted the most from it. If you lived in the north, you only benefitted from the indirect revenue the slave trade brought in, i.e., slave imports and subsequent sales (but only by the slave traders and shipping merchants themselves); molasses, rum, tobacco, tea exports. The south benefited from the direct revenues slavery brought in mostly in agriculture, but also in their domestication and in some cases the local sales of slaves. It was the reciprocal earnings from crops that drew the biggest ire from those on the side of pro-slavery. They worried their entire economy (not to mention their entire way of life) would be severely disrupted if slavery were abolished. No slaves, no farming. No slaves, no carriage drivers for wealthy plantation owners. No slaves, no domestic hands to clean their homes, cook their meals, wash their clothes, or babysit their children. And that's just naming those tasks the history books showcase for the typical "house nigga".

To suggest that the health care law is anything like the fight to preserve slavery in any way is so ridiculous even calling such an analogy "ridiculous" doesn't quite explain the ridiculousness of it all. Now, if you want to say this country hasn't had an issue so deeply divide both sides of our political system nor the country so widely, then I can certainly see the argument. But to compare ObamaCare to slavery is just ignorant. No one is oppressing you because you have to have health insurance.
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Wow, little thin on your history there.

First, slavery has not been limited to just one race, that is to ignore all but American, and substantially more, South American history. Slavery was, with perhaps the exception of Antarctica, a world wide long lived phenomenon. All races have pretty much been slaves and had slaves...so let us get a bit more realistic, could we?

The North also benefited beyond the actual slave trade, shut off by the Constitution [except internally], and by law in 1808, twenty years after the Constitution was adopted. The North was mainly responsible for the international portion of the "carrying trade"...Cotton was our #1 export back then...Britain and France would buy all we could grow, so the North risked a lot for the end of the slave trade as well as did the South.

Yes the south benefited the most, however only 10% of all southerners owned slaves...means 90%, the overwhelming majority, did not.

Slavery is not just about work without pay, though many of us are subjected to an almost half slavery just with the amount, total, taken from us by government annually, it is also about not owning your own body. With government ultimately in control of health care, that is just another addition on the the straws weighted upon the camels back...government telling us which oils we can use in some parts, telling us how large a soda we can have in others, light bulbs, more and more regulations, stipulations and add political correctness...no whip marks on my back, many that offend and crack at my values, morals, ethics and principles...
 
Gaugingcatenate said:
Slavery is not just about work without pay, though many of us are subjected to an almost half slavery just with the amount, total, taken from us by government annually, it is also about not owning your own body. With government ultimately in control of health care, that is just another addition on the the straws weighted upon the camels back...government telling us which oils we can use in some parts, telling us how large a soda we can have in others, light bulbs, more and more regulations, stipulations and add political correctness...no whip marks on my back, many that offend and crack at my values and principles...
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Which part of Obamacare means you don't own your body?
 
Great points--Stalingrad--cost database--
People with those pre-existers which can bankrupt or kill them are counting it down, 80 days..
PeteEU said:
Actually I would say that Stalingrad was the release of the cost database by the Obama administration. Granted it is not easily searchable, but the information is there and people can clearly see that their healthcare system is built on exploitation to the extreme. That a hospital visit for a certain procedure can vary by 100+% with in the same city.. is mind boggling.
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